Dear E4TA, I totally understand where you are at. I think that is so sad that your daughter says, Bad genetics:( I am sorry she is so mean! She is wrong! her actions are her OWN!! People can be very mean. I always feel so bad when I do it. When I called Jen a witch I apologized. She needs a good role model tho. Its hard to be above it all the time. I have taken so much [censored] from the women in my family! So, yes Kellie, she does remind me of my mother and sister. The coldness is very difficult. I atually took it better this time. At least the guilt wasnt as bad. I worry about destrying her in 5 minutes. She is one who doesnt even soak up the good too much. Just always rejecting me. I am concerned sometimes about voicing my mistakes on the forum. Honestly it is the best place for me to do so. I really dont think calling names is good or right. I am so sick lately that I lost my head. I am gonna go to a pain clinic soon. They have many options for coping that will help,I hope. Thank you for the support. I have benefitted greatly from this forum. No one understands the way you do. I have two older daughters as well and they have mellowed and become much more respectful. Jaime (22) said today that I am NEVER hurtful to her. I asked her because Im trying to get a perspective on why maybe Jen doesnt like me even when I am nice. Jaime said it is the age so I'll have to go with that. Moms are just dumb to these kids. A few people have said this. God Bless you all:)