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Re: The Hello Place: Welcome to the Campfire! [Re: kimikaya] #470489 11/22/08 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: kimikaya
Sorry, Phyllis, for 'throwing' the word out (hope it did not land on your toe! *grin*)without identifying it.

It is one of our most beautiful words.....'love'.

Until another time,
Wakan Tanan Kici Un.

Wowastelaka,
kimi kaya


Perfectyly wonderful!!! Thank you.


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Mitakuye Oyasin -

Monday, November 24th. is 'Native American Heritage Day', mitakola.

In that spirit, may I offer:

There is a commonly held belief that thousands of years ago as the world today counts time, Mongolian nomads crossed a land bridge to enter the western hemisphere, and became the people now known as American Indians. The truth of course, is that the raven found our forefathers in a clam shell on the beach at Naikun. At his bidding they entered a world peopled by birds, beasts and creatures of great power......At least that's a little bit of the truth.
Bill Reid, Haida


That is from a card that had a really cool background and graphics. Wish I could have added them here. I have no comment on the above and I guess we can all think what we will.

But to all Native Americans here, I wish you a 'Happy Day'!

Wakan Tanan Kici Un.
Wowastlaka,
kimi kaya

Re: The Hello Place: Welcome to the Campfire! [Re: kimikaya] #470976 11/24/08 05:22 PM
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Hello Kimi. I love the contributions you add to the campfire.

I am submitting two articles today that are Creation Myths. One will be at the Native American site and one at the Folklore site. I wish I could put all the many different tribal Creation stories in my articles. Maybe I can begin to submit one each month. What do you think? Now tell me true - would this be a good idea?

Wakan Tanan Kici Un, my friend.


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"Happy Thanksgiving" to Everyone!

An Indian Thanksgiving Prayer:

We return thanks to our mother,
the earth, which sustains us.

We return thanks to the rivers and streams,
which supply us with water.

We return thanks to all herbs,
which furnish medicines for the cure of our diseases.

We return thanks to the moon and stars,
which have given to us their light when the sun was gone.

We return thanks to the sun,
that has looked upon the earth with a beneficent eye.

Lastly, we return thanks to the Great Spirit,
in Whom is embodied all goodness, and
Who directs all things for the good of Her children.

~ Iroquois Prayer ~


May you all have a Very Blessed Day!

Wakan Tanan Kici Un,
kimi kaya

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Ya Ta Say Le Mita Kola, Phyllis.

I very much enjoyed your stories of creation!

The Apache tale was certainly Imagi-Native!

I do like your idea of publishing one each month. I, for one, would be most anxious to read them!

Wowastelaka,
kimi kaya

Re: The Hello Place: Welcome to the Campfire! [Re: kimikaya] #472005 11/29/08 06:29 PM
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My Friends,

Here is a story that I received from a Native American friend,
thankfully, after I had celebrated Thanksgiving.

Some of this sad tale I am aware of, however, it still made me cry. Perhaps it will touch your heart, as well.

Thanksgiving: A Native American View
by Jacqueline Keeler

I celebrate the holiday of Thanksgiving.

This may surprise those people who wonder what Native Americans think of this official U.S. celebration of the survival of early arrivals in a European invasion that culminated in the death of 10 to 30 million native people.

Thanksgiving to me has never been about Pilgrims. When I was six, my mother, a woman of the Dineh nation, told my sister and me not to sing "Land of the Pilgrim's pride" in "America the Beautiful." Our people, she said, had been here much longer and taken much better care of the land. We were to sing "Land of the Indian's pride" instead.

I was proud to sing the new lyrics in school, but I sang softly. It was enough for me to know the difference. At six, I felt I had learned something very important. As a child of a Native American family, you are part of a very select group of survivors, and I learned that my family possessed some "inside" knowledge of what really happened when
those poor, tired masses came to our homes.

When the Pilgrims came to Plymouth Rock, they were poor and hungry -- half of them died within a few months from disease and hunger. When Squanto, a Wampanoag man, found them, they were in a pitiful state. He spoke English, having traveled to Europe, and took pity on them. Their English crops had failed. The native people fed them through the winter and taught them how to grow their food.

These were not merely "friendly Indians." They had already experienced European slave traders raiding their villages for a hundred years or so, and they were wary -- but it was their way to give freely to those who had nothing. Among many of our peoples, showing that you can give without holding back is the way to earn respect. Among the Dakota, my father's people, they say, when asked to give, "Are we not Dakota and alive?" It was believed that by giving there would be enough for all --the exact opposite of the system we live in now, which is based on selling, not giving.

To the Pilgrims, and most English and European peoples, the Wampanoags were heathens, and of the Devil. They saw Squanto not as an equal but as an instrument of their God to help his chosen people, themselves.

Since that initial sharing, Native American food has spread around the world. Nearly 70 percent of all crops grown today were originally cultivated by Native American peoples. I sometimes wonder what they ate in Europe before they met us. Spaghetti without tomatoes? Meat and potatoes without potatoes? And at the "first Thanksgiving" the Wampanoags provided most of the food -- and signed a treaty granting
Pilgrims the right to the land at Plymouth, the real reason for the first Thanksgiving.

What did the Europeans give in return? Within 20 years European disease and treachery had decimated the Wampanoags. Most diseases then came from animals that Europeans had domesticated. Cowpox from cows led to smallpox, one of the great killers of our people, spread through gifts of blankets used by infected Europeans. Some estimate that diseases
accounted for a death toll reaching 90 percent in some Native American communities. By 1623, Mather the elder, a Pilgrim leader, was giving thanks to his God for destroying the heathen savages to make way "for a better growth," meaning his people.

In stories told by the Dakota people, an evil person always keeps his or her heart in a secret place separate from the body. The hero must find that secret place and destroy the heart in order to stop the evil.

I see, in the "First Thanksgiving" story, a hidden Pilgrim heart. The story of that heart is the real tale than needs to be told. What did it hold? Bigotry, hatred, greed, self- righteousness? We have seen the evil that it caused in the 350 years since. Genocide, environmental devastation, poverty, world wars, racism.

Where is the hero who will destroy that heart of evil? I believe it must be each of us. Indeed, when I give thanks this Thursday and I cook my native food, I will be thinking of this hidden heart and how my ancestors survived the evil it caused.

Because if we can survive, with our ability to share and to give intact, then the evil and the good will that met that Thanksgiving day in the land of the Wampanoag will have come full circle.

And the healing can begin.


I believe this story should be passed to as many as possible.....just my thought.

I hope all have had a wonderful, peaceful, sharing and blessed Thanksgiving.

Wakan Tanan Kici Un.
Wowastelaka,
kimi kaya

Re: The Hello Place: Welcome to the Campfire! [Re: kimikaya] #472522 12/01/08 06:33 PM
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Thank you, Kimi. Wakan Tanan Kici Un for remembering the noble people who helped the pilgrims survive and taught them how to grow their own foods. Too often, the truth is not revealed or taught to our young and it should be.

Wowastelaka to all.

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I was watching a King of the Hill episode the day before Thanksgiving and it was about celebrating Thanksgiving.

Bobby, Hank Hill's son asked John Redcorn, the town's resident Native American, if his people celebrated Thanksgiving.

John Redcorn's response was "We did...once."

That statement speaks volumes.


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John Redcorn is a wise and deep-thinking man.

I love that show!


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I have met a young teacher thru this site and she is very much into teaching her students the truth about the history of Native Americans. I will be doing an interview with her very soon.


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