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what a sad day for America #468476
11/15/08 05:50 AM
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First before beginning, let me say that I am neither a democrat or a republican. I am more of a libertarian. I feel that as a country, we have made a grave mistake in electing this man for president. He is very inexperienced, no less than what the press expressed of Palin.
Second, it is my understanding through many channels that he is not a natural born citizen of the U.S.
He cannot be president if that is the case.
Second, why did he pretend to be someone he's not. His real name is not Barack Obama. It's very obvious why he didn't use his real name.
Third, when the press had factual evidence of him and his associations with radicals, why did the public turn a blind eye to that? Most people I know don't vote anymore for the simple reason of knowledge. We as Americans don't elect the President in this country. Our opinions matter not.
He is elected simply by the electoral college. Why waste time going to vote for something you have no sway in?
He never even passed a bill the whole time he did serve as a senator. Good record. Two years and you think you're presidential material. I think NOT.....
I am content at least with the knowledge that when he turns out to be the socialist supreme, then the only ones to blame are the ones who supported him.
I would much rather see someone else run this country, even if it wasn't McCain.
Someone who isn't in it strictly to break a racial barrier or to make history in some form or for their own selfish reasons. America needs someone with real experience and a willingness to finally put things back to normal for this country and quit worrying about overseas problems. We have enough of our own in our own country. Big Big Mistake Obama Supporters. HUGE MISTAKE!!!!!

Re: what a sad day for America [Re: bahrain] #468480
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1. His mother is American. He is american. How is he not?
2. His name is Barack Obama. What name do you think it is?
3. Since when did someone have to be uber experienced to be President. We have had many Presidents with different levels of experience. Each brings their own level ofexperience, wants, needs, etc to the table. Obviously, the most American people wanted him and believed in him. He did win BOTH the Electorial Vote and the Popular Vote.
4. You are entitled to your beliefs. Period. Whether your reasoning is over truths or half-truths, or even falsities, is your right. If you voted, and didn't vote for him, that is your choice. If you voted for him, thats your choice. If you didn't vote, then like my mother said, you just need to shut up and do your duty next time. When you vote, you have the right to complain. If you don't, just bite your tongue.\

You are entitled to your opinion. It is your right. I respect you for it. I believe differenly. That is my right. Hopefully America made the right decision. Until he completes his term, we will not know. It's really that simple.


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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: Lady J] #468483
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He may be "inexperienced" and that could be a little scary, but he is surrounding himself with people that are experienced.

Right now, I am all for people with little experience - look what has happened with people that have had experience. My life is no better off and I am looking forward to some change.

The electoral college - I agree on that. We have computers that tally up our votes and that should do it.



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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: Robin - Fragrance Editor] #468630
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As I said, if you voted for him, that's your opinion, which is fine.
Yes, his mother may be American but where was he born? Why would a prominent Washington attorney file a lawsuit the day he was elected to have him removed based on his not being a natural born citizen?
No, his name was not Barack Obama. He had a european name, a regular christian name. Why did he change it to Hussain Barack Obama and try to claim he's a christian.
And why would you try to be something you're not when you know that your mother is white and yet you try to pass yourself off as pure african american?
Please......This is what I've been trying to say, He's not genuine.
At least Palin had nothing to hide and wasn't ashamed of who she is, let alone her heritage.
Inexperience is not a good thing for Presidents. That's what makes them stupid.
And you're still failing to recognize the simple fact that this country doesn't need to be involved in foreign affairs. We should be helping our own people.
Obama is no different from most politicians. A good liar who will end up screwing alot of people, and don't worry, it won't be the elite. It will be the regular working class. You give him way to much airs. He is nothing but a man and very capable of failure and he will.

Re: what a sad day for America [Re: bahrain] #468632
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Obama was born in Kenya and his mother filed a certificate of live birth in Hawaii and his birth records are sealed and became sealed the day he left Hawaii when he visited there a couple of weeks or so back. I dont know why they didnt make a bigger stink about that and I bet Arnold is upset. lol.


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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: bahrain] #468635
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Emotions aside, this man IS just a man. Emotions only drive this thing. I feel like I'm in an audience watching what happens next. There are much better - way better men of color, nationality, etc. than what was picked. I'd die tomorrow knowing in my gut just that. The feeling is just - mind throttling. I have no words to explain the impact and the things that will be going on. The average person doesn't know or comprehend.

The feeling I had was that a larger group of people pick him (on the inside fo the gov't) to BE elected. Favors were pulled, etc. It's just like a chess game. He WAS the final piece to the game. It was nothing more than that. It was just good timing for the people to insure his placement.

He will be in hindsite what we, the average public, see when we do something we end up regretting more years than we can account for.

The american people survive this and it WILL be the middle class that get's whapped. Why? Because they will endure it and sustain while the upper and lower incomes go on doing what they've always done. Take little responsability for the way things are playing out. The wealthy will pass on any taxes they get. Mark these words. Lower incomes by word of mouth end up getting more and more ways of living at the expense of the govt. The thing is, what they get will end up bottoming out. If they become completely dependent, they'll have no where to go when there is a break in those financial stipens they count on every month to survive. Learn to do it on your own. Buyer be - ware!

FYI - This passes...have that faith and just because Obama has people of experience around him, don't be fooled. There is another agenda here and it will be change. Not what you'll be hoping for though. Resilience America smile Never forget that!

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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: Elleise - Clairvoyance] #468679
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He has never tried to pass himself off as pure african american. He claims his white family. He has never denied them. so that point is moot.

As for passing himself off as christian, who are we to judge what his faith is? He has said he was christian, he has proclaimed his faith as christian, he went to a christian church for DECADES. Who are we to judge if he is christian enough. isn't it the christian faith that says all you have to do is claim jesus christ as your personal lord and savior and you are saved. Washed free of your sin in His blood?

I am not arguing your opinion, just the facts. Wjem O see facts claimed incorrectly, I have to point them out. It's who I am.

As for foreign affairs, we are involved in the no matter if we like it or not. Obama wants to get things right here and abroad. We have to correct our image and our foreign relations. It's important. We import 70% of our oil. We need to rely on relations with foreign countries. If we don't, we lose out. It would be stupid not to be concerned with foreign affairs.


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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: Lady J] #468684
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Jase, I am not trying argue with you. Just making my own point. I am not judging his religion. I don't care if he's muslim or christian, etc. What I care about is him being truthful with the public.
Plus you can't deny the fact that he used his race to his advantage to sway votes. Basically saying in front of one minority, he would claim to be one thing and in front of another, claim to be another.
Yes, unfortunately, our foot is stuck in the door with foreign affairs but as I said, it shouldn't be. We should be more concerned with fixing our own problems before trying to fix others.
How dare we as a country stick our nose into foreign countries trying to fix things, run things, etc, when our own go homeless, our vets mistreated, and the list goes on and on. We are a screwed up country and we deserve to go down the hard way. The government would've been better off letting this country fall into a depression than bail out the banks and auto makers who brought about their own demise. Who will pay for that? We will and all of our future generations.
How can you put your faith in this man?

Re: what a sad day for America [Re: Lady J] #468686
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Some facts:

Full Name: Barack Hussein Obama II
DOB: 8/4/61
Place of Birth: Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii
Parents: Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang�oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, a white American from Wichita, Kansas

About his birth certificate and citizenship: In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

On November 1, the director of Hawaii�s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: bahrain] #468698
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Originally Posted By: bahrain
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Plus you can't deny the fact that he used his race to his advantage to sway votes. Basically saying in front of one minority, he would claim to be one thing and in front of another, claim to be another.


I think any politician that had been able to do this would have. Obama just happens to be the first one to be capable of using this strategy as part of his campaign.

Anyone running for any kind of office uses any strenght he or she has to win that office. That's just "playing politics".


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