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I heard on the news today that she lives with her boyfriend. Can this be true? Who lets their 16 year old daughter live with a boy? Does he live in the house with her and her mother?? Did anyone else hear this?

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I just can't imagine having a kid before I got my driver's license. Not that I can imagine having one anyway...but wow.

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What are the parent's doing? Don't they realize it's their job to educate and discipline, set boundaries and protect their kids!
My brother's partner has a 14 year old - his girlfriend comes to visit and they spend hours in his bedroom. I think it's just irresponsible to stand back and let that sort of thing happen - how will they feel if the girl ends up pregnant?
The hopeless mother lamely states, "I'd rather he bring his girlfriend back here so I know where he is"....Sorry, that doesn't make this situation acceptable.
I saw a movie the other night that horrified me - "The Coalminers Daughter" - the story of Loretta Lyn, the singer - married at 13 - 4 kids by 17 - 6 kids in total and a grandma at 29!
How sad...to lose your young years that way...
It made me think of myself at 13...so innocent...my parents were in control - there to protect and guide me through those early years until I was old enough to make my own decisions.
i wouldn't let some of these parents look after my cats - they have no idea!

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I just can't and therefore won't subscribe to this hooplah anymore. I was a pretty, trim, adventurous youth who believed (via a GREAT mom) that saving herself until marriage was best. So I did it.

Oh, I wasn't saintly...I learned oral. But no penetration until marriage, which was after I got my degree. With guidance, my plan was "Degree, Marriage, Sex, Baby." I just never did the "baby" part.

I realize that sex before marriage is sadly now the norm, and I can't soapbox about it because it's just so expected, so sadly accepted.

I wish I had better advice to the young. Even when we (they) try to prevent pregnancy, condoms break.


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WOW, that is my first reaction to all the comments here. I am a parent (boys) and I'm sure this won't be a popular statement but here it goes. I don't care how well you "Parent" some kids do things that you have warned them, taught them, showed them, etc. etc. I'm pretty surprised at all the finger pointing going on, especially toward the Mom. Just my opinion but it isn't always the Moms fault, she is 16, she met him at church. What about him ??? I don't see anyone saying (but of course I will) "what about the boys parents"? Where were they at and why didn't they teach their son better ? Of course being a parent I will say that "celebrities" are NOT ROLE MODELS FOR KIDS, they never have been and if your child wants to be like so and so, then it's a good time to have the "be like yourself" talk. I'm so not a perfect parent but I did get this part right, the no celebrity role model thing.

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Actually CrochetQueen you could have a point there.
I agree that while sometimes it IS the parent's fault, it's not always and some great parents raise terrible kids/teens/adults even though the parents ARE good parents. My folks had that with my brother who had sex at 16 and was a father at 20.
And my folks were and are devout Christians who did not agree with or encourage sex before marriage.
It's one of the biggest reasons I personally DON'T want kids - what if I am a great mother (esp. being that I have years of experience being a teacher which doesn't always a good mother make I know! but sometimes does help) and yet my kids are screw ups?
And yes fingers often point to mothers and sorry I am NOT going to be a scape goat for my kid's/teen's/adult offsprings stuff ups NAH UH! ANYWAY,
CrochetQueen, I DO believe that while her MOTHER might be not to blame (or she might have a big part, neither of us really know cos we don't know the family well enough) but her SISTER (Brittany) has not been a good role model to Jamie-Lyn.
AND JL is not a good role model.
You may be a GREAT parent for all I know (and I'm sure you are!)but not every parent is even a GOOD parent (abuse etc) as I'm sure you know which is why I wish people didn't jump into having babies who weren't ready emotionally for it.


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Originally Posted By: Angela P
I realize that sex before marriage is sadly now the norm, and I can't soapbox about it because it's just so expected, so sadly accepted.

This is an interesting point. For myself, and if I had a daughter I'd give her the same advice, I like to "try before I buy". Sex is an integral part of a relationship, and I really don't think I'd like to be shackled to someone for life when the sex is lousy. Sure, it's not the be all and end all, but it's a part of the whole, if you know what I mean.



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WOW, that is my first reaction to all the comments here. I am a parent (boys) and I'm sure this won't be a popular statement but here it goes. I don't care how well you "Parent" some kids do things that you have warned them, taught them, showed them, etc. etc. I'm pretty surprised at all the finger pointing going on, especially toward the Mom.

Oh don't be so shocked, CrochetQueen. We're talking about Lynne Spears, the mother of the Spears train wreckage, not all mothers. Her parenting job wasn't finished, but she let her little tramps live in Los Angeles anyway while she stayed behind in Oklahoma. When I was 16, I couldn't be gone past a certain hour, much less in a different state. Sixteen-year-old girls belong at home, not living the big life in Hollywood.

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What about him ??? I don't see anyone saying (but of course I will) "what about the boys parents"? Where were they at and why didn't they teach their son better?

The parenting skills of a 19-year-old (an ADULT, by the way) man's parents are mutually exclusive from a 16-year-old girl's inability to keep her legs closed.

I don't agree with the age-old double standard, but I can't fight it, and neither can you: Boys will be boys, and if they can't get a piece off your daughter, they'll get it from the hussy next door. Any parent who isn't teaching their daughter this lives in denial. Some boys hold off, but most do not -- it's a challenge to see how quickly they can lose their virginity and how many notches they can put in their bed post afterward.

A girl can only be in control of herself. If she puts herself in a position (literally, spread eagle) to get pregnant, there is no one else to blame but her. And who's allowing the girl to have this kind of one-on-one boy time? The MOTHER.

I'll be so excited to read Lynne Spears' parenting book. What a joke.

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Yes, when I read about this yesterday, I was thinking, "Did abortion get outlawed?" and "Is adoption out of the question completely, for some reason?" Why is it that she opts to raise the child at such a young age when it was so obviously not planned?

I'm not saying that I know she will be a bad mother, but you just have to look at the track record of her own mother, and her sister to know that she hasn't had the best example in her own family. Also, as far as I've observed, more often than not, girls who get pregnant in their teens and opt to raise the baby on their own tend to not do the best job, due to limited education, resources, etc. Some of them try, but then the pattern repeats....and then their children are having children early. Trust me - this has happened on my DH's side of the family - we were great-aunt and great-uncle in our 20s, which is way too early!

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From what I've read, Zoey 101 is set as far as episodes go until the end of the season. There was really no reason any of this needed to be announced and certainly no reason for them to have to sell their story to the tabloids.

These people are attention whores, and they only want to stay in the public eye. Any publicity is good publicity to them.

Since her show is already taken care of, she could have easily stepped out of the public eye, quietly had her baby, and gave it up for adoption to a family that is better equipped (emotionally) to deal with it. But that wasn't an option to her and Lynn Spears because it's all about the fame.


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