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Hello everyone. I am new to this forum and I only started reading here back in October and I have never started my own post. I read this article though and thought I had to write about it.
There is a 67yr. old woman from Spain who just gave birth to twins in Barcelona. Now here is my question. Is is just me or does that sound like the most stupid and idiotic thing to do? She had to have invitro done and I cannot believe a Doctor agreed to do it. To me, that is so unfair to those children. She most likely won't live long enough to see them grow up and she will probably have medical conditions that will affect their lives at a very young age.
It just seems so irresponsible to me and selfish of her to have had this procedure done. The article was praising her for giving birth at such an age and saying how it was a medical miracle. I wonder how come those of us who choose not to have children are never praised for our decisions. Even though we really think about everything that goes into raising children and what type of parent we would be. Everyone seems to think we are selfish for not having children. I see parents who just have kids without much thought or consideration to be the ones who are selfish.
Anyway, when I read that article is just really struck me the wrong way. I just feel badly for those children and I just don't think it was the right thing for this woman to do.
Thanks for letting me vent and have a Happy New Year!
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Lots of people feel that it's tantamount to child abuse. Likely, this mother won't live to see the kids graduate from high school. Children need their parents...these twins' mom put her manic desire to procreate before the needs of her resultant children.
I still say that prospective adoptive parents or fertility clinic patients should be required to be Big Brothers/Big Sisters for at least a year before anything goes forward. I know I sound like a broken record, but the BB/BS program is just the bee's knees; I was a Big a few years back and it was one of the best things I've ever done. There is such a need and it clearly does so much good...unlike becoming a parent (particularly in the manner describe in Doglover's post), which is a total crapshoot.
If they were required to do BB/BS-type community service, some of these prospective parents would realize they have no business with children of their own (i.e., they'd never spent time with kids and had no idea what they were like...only the societally-approved, bathed-in-golden-light stereotype of parenthood); others might find that mentoring an underprivileged kid is a very worthwhile thing to do and might be "enough" for them; and even those who ended up going ahead with their plans would have more perspective --- never a bad thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the fees associated with this procedure got picked up by Spain's government, too. At least in this case, with "just" twins, complications were probably limited --- but in other similar cases, you've got high-order multiples, which tend to result in ridiculous costs, plus problems like retinopathy of prematurity (which can lead to blindness) and other health problems. It's all about the parents' desires, not about the welfare of children whatsoever.
What a lack of appropriate priorities...
Elise
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I think it's great! We use to be dead at 67. Now we live to be 100 or more. People are staying active well into retirement. As far as the kids go. There are kids who are born to teens that die every day. Do you feel sorry for those children? There is a blessing in having your parents for whatever time you have them. So she doesn't live to see them graduate highschool. Maybe they're around her long enough to learn how loved they were by their mother. May she'll live to 90 and see her grandkids. There is NO guarentee on life. You could be on your way to work tomorrow and get hit and killed by a drunk driver. Good for the 67 yeaer old woman! She's living her life the way she wants to! God bless!
We are looking for a child between the ages of 2 and 6 to adopt. Please help us look.
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I think it's great! We use to be dead at 67. Now we live to be 100 or more. People are staying active well into retirement. As far as the kids go. There are kids who are born to teens that die every day. Do you feel sorry for those children? There is a blessing in having your parents for whatever time you have them. So she doesn't live to see them graduate highschool. Maybe they're around her long enough to learn how loved they were by their mother. May she'll live to 90 and see her grandkids. There is NO guarentee on life. You could be on your way to work tomorrow and get hit and killed by a drunk driver. Good for the 67 yeaer old woman! She's living her life the way she wants to! God bless! It's one thing to say "any one of us could go under a bus at any time"; of course, that's true. It's another to say that because a minority of us live to 100 (and it's still a small minority) that we all will --- and further, that we should base a decision like parenthood (which affects not only oneself, but others) on that assumption. I just looked up the life expectancy for women in Italy, and it's only 83. As for the teens having kids and then leaving them as orphans after dying in car crashes...well, I don't believe they should be having children either. Yes, I DO feel sorry for those children, as well. Their parents have next to nothing to offer them in terms of experience, wisdom, financial wherewithal, etc. Waiting --- even a few years --- would better for the parent, for the child, and for society. From your signature, you're either a parent who wants more children or a prospective adoptive parent with no children yet; you're going to have a hard time finding a receptive audience here. Most of us don't view children as always being an unalloyed good, particularly when they're born to parents who aren't likely to be in a position to raise and provide for them, like this Italian woman. Unlike the teen moms you mention, this woman won't have the kid's grandma to raise her kid for her...
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To me, this is ridiculous and irresponsible. So what if we have the technology to make a 67-year old woman pregnant? That doesn't mean we should be doing it! I thought the same thing when Tony Randall became a father at 80something. He passed away when the kids were young; he didn't even make it to see them in junior high! I understand we all can go at any time, but if you're going to have kids, shouldn't there be a reasonable chance you'll live to see them get older?
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i feel sad for this woman actually. it sounds like she was never at peace with being childless and didn't have anyone to support her in her sadness and help her cope with things. i've been very blessed with family and friends who have helped me find things other than children to find fulfillment. and nowadays, society is starting to realize there is such a thing as a family of two and we do count.
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I can�t figure out why that woman did it! Biologically this twin will have less IQ and healthy than a normal child hence I think it�s unfair for children. I guess it�s more useful for making a record and send their name in Geinese records book.
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I also thought that 67 year old should not be allowed to have children through artificial means. Yes, if an "accident" happens that is one thing, but purposefully trying to have children at that age?? That is ridiculous. There should be an age limit put on artificially assisted pregnancies. How much energy will she have to raise children? Will she be able to support them financially? And how would YOU have liked it if your parent was a senior citizen? They are sure to get ridiculed by their peers... When they are 10, she will be 77! How much of a fun mom will she be?? Statistically, she will live to 82 - they will be only 15 years old. If she lives to 90 (¬ many people do), they will only be 23 when she dies. Sad. Unbeleivable. People are short sighted and selfish.
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I agree - just because it "can" be done, doesn't mean it "should." I have issues with artificial means of pregnancy anyway, but to do it into a woman's menopausal age seems biologically wrong.
And yes, people can and do die every day while their kids are young, but to play the odds against yourself just seems absurd.
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when i saw that article i said what an idiot? think about the children not your self, she cannot relate to them, yes we give our children love but is it enough? her idea of school will never correspond to her childrens, we may all get knocked over on the street, but do all young women get arthritis, alzimers, increased cancer risk, decreased mobility. it is hard for a forty year old to raise a teenager but a 80 year old, this is the winding down relaxing phase of life not the stressing out phase. a teen dealing with introducing his friends to his 80 year old mom???????? children need more than love to survive in life...
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