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Re: Discussion on A supreme Being, Higher Power, #245942 04/30/06 03:15 AM
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Hello Everyone,
I think that you have all written things that are food for thought, and I am so much in admiration of your compassion and understanding.

Thank you for your love!

I have to admit though that I tend to lean towards Alexandra's thoughts on all this.

Those of you who are mothers, I would ask these questions:

Your child is precious to you and you want her/him to grow into a beautiful human being.
Do you therefore heap suffering onto him/her to teach that child to be more loving?
Do you allow terrible things to go on happening to your beloved child when you could intervene?
Do you tell your child that you are giving him/her MORE pain because you love him/her so much?
Do you ignore his/her cries for help, and smile in satisfaction that he/she continues to trust and love and show compassion to others while being degraded, torn apart, mentally damaged and screaming in agony because this is how you show your love?

Further more, do you continue to do this for 60 plus years, continuing to strip, test, and then, when your child finally can take no more, and commits suicide to escape the pain and horror that you have seen fit to either inflict, or allow in the NAME OF LOVE - do you then say that you didn't give your child more than you knew they could cope with?

SURELY NOT!

If a Parent could not do this to their child, then what does this say about the 'Heavenly Parent' - GOD! There just cannot possibly be one. If there is, He should cover His face in shame!


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
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Re: Discussion on A supreme Being, Higher Power, #245943 04/30/06 05:45 AM
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Where have I not shown you respect? Where have I derided or mocked, insulted or belittled you? I have nothing but the greatest respect for you and all who adhere to their beliefs as you do. I just don't agree with you at all. Why is disagreement direspectful?
What do you know of Buddhism? What of it's scriptures have you studied? What do you know of Siddharta Gauthama? Have you ever been tempted to study other faiths, in order to simply learn more about the different peoples of this earth...in order to better understand what makes them tick?


No you never did personally, I was reacting in a more general sense is all....

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The term 'She' seems here, to be a little derisory...You might at least have the courtesy of addressing me by my name....


I'm sorry I could have. It was a rash decsion on my part. I simply didn't want to "name names"...
i will go back and change it if you think I should.

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A challenge to the veracity of the Bible is not always a direct confrontation against the existence of a creator....some admittedly have sought to establish this.
I - like the Buddha, and as he instructed - am keeping an open Mind, and not seeking any such thing.


I would like to commend Alexandra publically for making this and the previous statements here that would have been a monstrous quote if I'd quoted the whole thing. I am sometimes a faster thinker than I am a typist and sometimes what I write is misconstrued and not made clear. For this I apologize. Those who know me know that I work very hard to not offend people and that it is not my motivation to appear derisive.

I always ask the Lord to help me write and give all the glory to him for the articles that I write or that He directs me to post on the Bible Basics site. I am sure that someone somewhere needs to read what I have written or what others have written and I have had the priviledge to publish for them or re-publish with their permission.

Like I wrote on another post in another forum, I am not an evangelist, nor am I called to teach or preach. I am not called to judge, but being judgemental is my thorn in my side. I am called to love everyone the way the Lord loves me. That is my calling. That is the only thing the Lord has asked me to do. And sometimes it is hard for me to do, hard but not impossible.

My faith in God is my strength. I know there are many forms of God-worship. I know that for some people they call their god by a different name. I believe there is only one God and I believe the Bible is His Holy Word. That is my belief. It has become a huge part of my life, but never detracts me from the real mission in my life which is to show His love to everyone. I have often said that Tolerance is not Respect. I believe that, but there are some aspects to living this way that can appear harsh and unloving to some. When it appears that I am refuting anothers religion and saying that the only true religious belief should be in Christ, I am doing this because my realtionship with Jesus Christ has saved my life more times than I care to count. And I only want eveyone to experience what I have experienced. I'm one small little woman, not a scholar, not a theologian, just a child of God who is called to love others and present the Love of Christ to them in my own unique way.

In response to the above post about the reward being in the future and not the here and now.... we all want what we want right now. I have this longing for reward too. I claim my reward in the ease which I feel going to the foot of the cross for love. I can cast my cares on Him and know that He loves me. I am not alone and I am not forsaken. I don't have to do all the fighting by myself. I'm not in this just me. I have the whole of heaven on my side. I look forward to eternity with Christ instead of just this little time here on earth. And anyone with kids knows just how short this life is...

I'll stop before I just keep rambling on... lol... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Discussion on A supreme Being, Higher Power, #245944 04/30/06 07:51 AM
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Jenna, thank you.

Thank you for practising what you preach (or don't preach, as you eloquently point out!!) and thank you for being big enough and generous enough to come back and clarify.

I have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration for what is obviously a deep, heart-felt and unshakeable faith that you hold dear in your heart and Mind.
Good for you.
Your post manifests that Belief and Love, and I commend it and somehow wish that all could share in it and know it as you do....

There are those however (as indicated above) who have a less gracious and charitable view of their Christian Experience, and whose memories are distressing, harrowing and very sad....

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here (oh my!! And me, a Buddhist! There are perhaps those who would consider that I do that most of the time!)

Some time ago, in another forum, I was discussing Christian faith and upbringing with another contributor, and they too explained of horrific and dreadful experiences they had had to suffer at the hands of so-called "God's Representatives"...
His resentment, anger and hostility towards the Church was very deep and very real... but I took pains to gently unfold the point that the Religion and fundamental belief in a Saviour had nothing to do with what he had suffered... It was the warped transmission and interpretation, by wretched human beings that had so sadly coloured his perception...
One has to make a distinction between what God, Jesus Christ and his followers originally taught, and step out of the realm of how all this is implemented and passed on by people who purport to personify God and his Works, but who in fact, may be more sinners than we are - !!

Much has been said about the dreadful goings-on by priests, nuns and monks who preyed upon the young and vulnerable....Much has further been said about the Authorities who, by turning a blind eye, condoned such matters, and did nothing to save those who most needed help... The Roman Catholic Church historically did nothing in WWII to condemn Hitler's treatment of the Jews, and turned a blind eye and a deaf ear... they also harboured Nazi Criminals, worked in close liaison with Mussolini, and still have countless thousands in money held for the Germans in safekeeping. the Catholic Church now has an Austrian ex- Nazi-Hitler youth member at its' head... Well, go figure!

But he may be a Good Man.... and doubtless other Heads of Church or other faiths, may have dark secrets they harbour, which would reveal their hypocrisy and avarice... who knows?

The Islam faith is taking a severe knock at the moment, due to an enormous amount of bad press (to say the least!) but the trouble-makers are actually few, if you in turn, count those Muslims who condemn them and attempt to distance themselves from these misguided fanatics. Moslems that I know personally (at my RC nuptual mass wedding ceremony, I had a bridesmaid who was Moslem, and the Priest was delighted!) wholeheartedly deplore what is happening at the moment, and there is division and discord, but they too hold fast their faith in Allah, and pray for guidance and salvation...

Ou perception is blurred... Just as we hold a whole company responsible, and say they are dreadful people to do business with, if we happen to find one employee who's having a bad day, the entire faith or Church comes under scrutiny, judgement, ridicule and condemnation, if we have had the disastrous misfortune to encounter those faithful who should know better but who have done so much worse...

None of the above does anything or should do anything - to detract from What God is, who Jesus Christ is, and what the Message is: Universal Compassion and Unconditional Love. Plain and simple. And It has been said by those concerned on 'both' sides, that Jesus and Buddha, with their message, walk hand in hand....
Jenna, I fully understand, appreciate and applaud your stance on the perception you have of a future life with Christ in Heaven.

For my part, I have my reward now, because I am already eternally at Peace...If only I could prove this to you, by revealing the Inner Joy and Serenity in my Heart and Mind...

You can have no idea in what turmoil the Life I am leading is, at the moment... I am at the centre of a maelstrom of misfortune which were I to recount in full, might make your hair curl...
But it's nobody's business but my own, and like everything else, is transitory and impermanent.... This too shall pass.
I have my Anchor Here and Now, and feel completely at One with all I see, hear and breathe....
This may come across as arrogant and conceited, and thus, if so, I apologise... I am merely explaining that from what I have learnt and understood, the Here and Now is all we have, for sure...so this is where I am. In the Here and the Now. And am perfectly Bliss-ful.

I'm sorry this post has been so long.... but I hope in that time, you have managed to boil your egg and make your toastie soldiers...!!

Metta, Namaste and blessings.

Re: Discussion on A supreme Being, Higher Power, #245945 04/30/06 11:30 AM
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You don't come across as arrogant or conceited - you come across as 'at peace with yourself and the world' and 'spiritual'. That's based on reading most of what you write on the boards, not just on this subject <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Jane


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Re: Discussion on A supreme Being, Higher Power, #245946 04/30/06 01:19 PM
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Deep Gassho, Greenspice; You are too kind.

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Thanks for the compliment, Alexandra, and I return it in kind. Very interesting to read and well-spoken, as are all of you in here.

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Do you therefore heap suffering onto him/her to teach that child to be more loving?
Do you allow terrible things to go on happening to your beloved child when you could intervene?
Do you tell your child that you are giving him/her MORE pain because you love him/her so much?
Do you ignore his/her cries for help, and smile in satisfaction that he/she continues to trust and love and show compassion to others while being degraded, torn apart, mentally damaged and screaming in agony because this is how you show your love?


I'm a step-mother. In answer to your questions, I try to lead by example. By showing kindness and being kind. As to all your other questions, no.


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Re: Discussion on A supreme Being, Higher Power, #245948 04/30/06 03:38 PM
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That was my point exactly. Good parents don't treat their children this way!

I was comparing this with what some people have told me that God does to his children that He loves.


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
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Re: Discussion on A supreme Being, Higher Power, #245949 04/30/06 04:20 PM
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You are wrong, totaly wrong. My way is best and I will show my beliefs in a loving compasionate god by being critical and defensive. No I am not being defensive because what you say threatens my belief in a life after death so I do not have fear extinction but because i am right an you are wrong. I will bring you into gods loving arms by being intolerant of those who believe other than I do rather than showing you love and compassion as as my god shows me.

sarcasm off

unable to post in another forum i post my impressions here

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Well hello there - !

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Aing..You're very welcome to express your views and opinions here.. I value everyone's contribution, regardless of what faith or creed. The recommendations (as listed in my first post) apply. Taking those into account, thank you for joining us.... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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