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May, 2005
3WVEC.com
article by Vanessa Coria
concerning Face Shaving for Women

http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wvec_local_052405_beauty_face_shaving.2a78a31f5.html


Until recently I had never heard of it...had no idea the practice of women shaving their faces to exfoliate their skin, had been around for years. I read a bit about this practice somewhere, maybe six months ago, and having my curiosity piqued, I began to search for more information.

We hear about the chemical peels, the microderm abrasion treatments, why aren't we hearing more about this possible skin care option, for women? Not that I'm thinking of lathering up, myself, mind you. No, it's just that compared to the cost of some of the exfoliating methods, and products out there, the cost of a razor and a can of shaving gel sounds pretty good. If it is a viable option, an option that will deliver good results, why not? If a woman can achieve smoother skin, sans the need to apply acids, and other chemicals to her face, I ask again, why not?

In the May, 2005 article for 13WVEC.com, Vanessa Coria quotes Virginia Beach plastic surgeon Dr. Ben Hugo as stating, "This ( face shaving) has a similar affect as microderm abrasion, which patients are paying $100 for." Coria also quotes Dr. Hugo's answer to her query concerning whether or not a woman's facial hair will grow back darker and thicker, if she shaves her face. According to Dr. Hugo, " this is all a myth. It ( facial hair) doesn't."

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Hi Jeannine, I was waiting for Bellezza to respond to your question but I guess she didn't get a chance to before she left. She'll be gone for about 6 months on a film. We work together <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The answer; yes! I can't believe how many women think that of actresses. Believe it or not, their makeup is often very different from when we do it. On set, it is our responsibility to make each actor/actress look incredible. Once they are out of our chairs, their makeup can change completely. The majority of actresses rely on us so much that they don't bother to learn to do their own makeup and just get by with the basics, some sunglasses and a baseball cap.

Regarding the topic of women shaving, yes, we've all heard of it and I'm not crazy about it. Yes, it does exfoliate you. Think of when you're legs are tanned and how quickly your legs lose their colour. Mind you, the same is true for those who wax. Waxing, just like shaving does exfoliate you giving you smoother, softer skin. Chemical peels and microdermabrasion actually remove one to two layers of your skin, not just the dead skin cells sitting on top.

As for the hair growing back darker and thicker, of course it will. But that's only because it's new hair. When hair just comes out, it's darker, it's thicker but left on the skin long enough and it will eventually soften and quite possibly, even lighten up.

Wow what a bunch of info...I shall ignore it all(of course)I am 58 so that makes me old(I cannot reasonable double my age and expect to be alive; so?) but not exactly mature...I have worn makeup for decades and basically because I have melasma and when sunlight or warm wind hits my face the brown patches fire up...yes, I use sunscreen daily, but it still shows up regardless of what I do...that and wrinkles and zits...the fun never ends.

I have tried it all and am currently thinking of finally having all this hair removed from my face before I actually stop having periods and the hair grows with a vengence(I shudder to think!)I do know there is now a laser that targts white and blonde hair BUT has anyone used vaniqa(prescription hair removal cream) I have taken spironolactone for decades and it helps but???

Thanks for the word on the 'illusion' art of film makeup. By the way, on what film is Bellezza working? I'm sure we'd all like to be able to catch it, and possibly get a glimpse of her creativity.

I wonder if she�d share with us, some of the brands of cosmetics she has used, or that she has seen being used, by film makeup artists. I�d very much like to receive this info from an objective source. Each time I endeavor to discover this information, untainted, I discover the makeup artist queried is associated, or affiliated in some way, to a particular company, or brand. Thus, I get the usual product-plugs you�d expect.

I found the face shaving thing interesting, simply for the reason that you just don't hear about it. I put a call in yesterday to a friend, who has a friend, an esthetician, who works for one of those high-end spas, at a resort here in Georgia. I was told by my friend, this woman has been shaving her face for some time now, and only wishes she had started earlier. Hopefully I'll be able to arrange a meeting with her very soon. I have a plethora of questions to ask!

I�m snail-mailing Dr. Ben Hugo, the cosmetic surgeon quoted by Vanessa Coria, in her news story, I�d appreciate a bit more info from him, on this subject. Just color me, Constantly Curious.

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Hi Roni! Why ignore the info? You sound a little down. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I don't think that 58 is old, and I'm sure that a lot of the other women out there will certainly agree with me!

The brown patches have you tried covering them up with a concealer first and then applying the rest of your cosmetics? It works for me.

I have heard of prescription hair removal cream, but I don't have any personal experience of my own to share with you. However, here are some sites for you.

Official Vaniqa Site

Dr Foley's Take on Vaniqa

Info on Vaniqa, Side Effects

I do hope that these links help you.

Good luck!

Hi Jeannine. Both Bellezza and I are Union Makeup Artists and we're really not at liberty to discuss or even mention the projects we work on until they're all said and done. This is mainly to protect the celebrities that are working on the film and to make sure that we don't get swamped by fans wherever we are working.

It's a great industry to be in and I can't wait for my children to get a little bit older so that I can get back to film work! I miss it a lot!

To answer your questions about the products we use, they are for the most part professional products. We are required to use them because they are colour corrected and are stay true to their colours regardless of what medium is being used to shoot; film, video or digital.

Foundations and Powders: RCMA, Cinema Secrets, Ben Nye and Visiora.

For lashes, most of us prefer Max Factor.

For the rest of the face, it all depends on the look we need to achieve which is all based on the script and the idea/vision that the director has in mind. We may use MAC, Makeup Forever, Trucco, L'Oreal etc.

So you see, we're not all affiliated with a particular brand of cosmetics.

I'd be interested in hearing her story as well on face-shaving! Start a different post though so that others that might be interested in it will see it.

I was being facetous; getting old has always struck me as being better than the only alternative!! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I shall definitely give those sites a looksee. Thanks...

Well in that case Roni....are you familiar with this guy? <img src="/images/graemlins/tut.gif" alt="" /> Or what about him: <img src="/images/graemlins/viking.gif" alt="" />

LOL!

Hugs to you!

Wow! I am SO late in replying! I did receive the blanket e-mail, explaining the probs. Bella has been having, as far as accessing, or being able to post, goes, but, really! I have had more than a bit of trouble, on this site! Plus, I have x amount of time, to do x amount of work, posting, and it's been a chore, believe me! I timed the loading of one page, here at Bella Forums...five minutes! And that's just wrong! Bright spot! Late at night, it's all better.

Okay, let's see...CC I can fully understand why a UNION makeup artist couldn't possibly discuss a 'now' project, But, hey! why not tell us all about a past project! A year ago, or two years ago, or hey! one of the films you worked on, personally. I mean, sheesh! makeup artists for the Leonardo di Caprio film, 'The Aviator', are everywhere, talking about everythng they used! I've been told about the makeup brands you mention, and can add I've been told about brands such as MAC, Lanc�me, Christian Dior, and Mehron, as well.

Ohh! And what's your take on how HDTV is changing the 'for tv makeup' thinking! I read recently, where one makeup artist commented on the fact that 'when a particle of face powder looks like a boulder, on the face of an actress, on HDTV, it's time to re-think makeup for television'. I mean, I know tv makeup is like so much more,(spackle-like, really, heavy) than say makeup for film, due to film being able to really control lighting, etc., or even re-shooting a scene, and doing the makeup for specially filtered camera shots, but, wow! HDTV looks to be a catalyst for a completely new line of makeup! And a new line of makeup, for the visual medium, can filter down to little ol' us!

You know, I was hoping to read some great tips from you, and any other makeup artist, concerning how some of the tricks of your trade can be slightly altered, to aid everyday gals. I learned long ago, how using different shades of foundation, or concealer, or blush, can actually accentuate, or de-centuate. I learned how to use makeup to seem to lengthen or shorten or slim the nose, how to vanish any pudge there, just under the jaw, how to slim the face, over-all. These are the kinds of tips I'd like to see, CC. Come on girl! Give! Now, you know you have some good tips...some good tricks o' the trade...some good 'fool the eye' tricks! We promise! We won't tell a soul! <img src="/images/graemlins/angel.gif" alt="" />

And, yes, I have heard from the gal who face-shaves! I tell you what, she's made an 'almost' believer of me! combined with what I've heard back from others, including dermatologists. I have also heard from the cosmetic surgeon I contacted. I'm doing a bit more research, but, I shall indeed, post here what I've learned, eventually. Just gettin' all the facts straight, y'all'.

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Hello,

I'm new to the boards and have enjoyed reading all your beauty tip posts:) I agree with everything you're saying here. I've been getting some great training from a makeup artist who talks about applying the right moisturizer for you and as mentioned here wait a while before applying foundation. Some times women will over moisturizer. I say layer it. Put your moisturizer on sparingly and then add more if you need it. And always, always, find the perfect moisturizer for your skin type.

I just tried out a new facial highlighting pen today. I'm going to have to get some practice:) Has anyone tried this?
The special light-reflecting pigments lift the shadowy areas of your face. So I hear this is great for all and especially for the mature woman. Like the laugh lines, around the nose as well as under the eyes. Your face looks brighter, your tone more even and your face more radiant. You can reapply without the day if needed to refresh your face.

I've also been told that mature women should stay away from eye colors that have a frost to them. Using more of a matte finish is best.

With the new foundation I'm using I don't even use loose powder anymore. It gives me a matte finish and stays all day. Which is great for my oily skin. Plus NO shine at the end of the day either!

Speaking of brown patches and spots. I had a large brown spot on the side of my face. The dermatologist said it could have been from sun damage that I received in my teens. I tried a Home Microdermabrasion Set my company came out with and now the spot is gone! Has anyone been using these systems? I can't live without this now. It really helps refine my pores, exfoliates and has the same professional grade exfoliating crystals used by dermatologists. My skin feels healthier. I have found after using this step to make sure and use the second step. If you buy one that doesn't have the second step you need to be using a good moisturizer. The second step I have is a serum that contains vitamins, antioxidants and anti-irritants. I love that it has a green tea extract in it too. I'm 45 years old so I'm loving it when a product gives me the anti-aging benefits!:) lol

One last mention. I have a "Beauty News" blog and I'm always looking for other experts to submit beauty tips or articles to go on my blog site. If anyone is interested, please let me know. It would be FREE exposure and of course a link back to your website if you have one. What do you think?

Blessings,
Leslie <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />