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There is a song I love so very much and it is so right for me:

Let the sunset be my stained glass windows
Let the mountains be God's golden stair
My church is here where the wind blows
And only God can hear my prayer

Very Good summation... Thank You !!!

Some people are on a totally different plane than what others think. Some have a great understanding of the workings of the spiritual and even beyond that, what I call the "eternal". This is my two cents worth but let me try to explain.

It can be exceedingly painful for the individual who sees the principle of the "eternal"-true self yet has problems letting go of certain partial principles having to do with this natural existence. These people are in utter torment at times in their life. For us to understand them, no matter how primitive it may seem, may be the only hope that they have.

Gemineye, you are a very enlightened soul and have been for many ages past, up to, and even beyond the present. You are incredibly mature in spirit even though you don't believe it at times. The thing that I had to learn was how to come to the point where I knew what worked for me but I also had to learn how to listen to others around me without being drawn into their fear. If they insist that we must believe as they do or rise up abruptly to correct our thinking, maybe they don't have a good foundation of what they say that they believe. This is hard at first because while we are getting our footing it is easy to be led astray by the fear of others which will affect our focus.

I know what has worked for me. I have had battles that I can not tell only my closest friends about because others would simply not believe me. In these circumstances I have found that words spoken in anger or fear only weaken my defences. Those spoken with true concern for others go deep but the most powerful ones not spoken at all change the course of nations. You already know that principle. When someone wishes to condemn me I stand condemned until I have done all that I can do to allow the caster of such a judgement to rethink his/her stand through whatever means, thusly retiring that misjudgement. Maybe I will use a few words that bring about more possibilities for the accuser to view. Like maybe it is o.k. for another to think a given thing even if I don't agree with it. I harp all of the time about going within. Sometimes when an accuser tries to dismantle myself I will go silent. This will give me time to assess what has transpired and my Source, whether it be my higher self, the cosmos, or a certain deity, will allow me to see the true state of the heart of both me and my accuser. If they have a point, then I better listen to them!!!! If they are "all wet" then I will automatically be given the words that might just open up new channels of thought that can improve both of us. This, of course, does not always happen but I think it is kinda comforting for me if someone gives me the benefit of the doubt and I do the same for them.

It all has to do with going within. If someone says that they believe in their 57 chev and that is all, I will agree that it is totally COOL car. That kernel of belief is a start even if they have no belief in themselves or anything else. We build on that belief system. Yeh I totally agree that this vehicle is a "god" LOL but then by my example of living my belief system, the 57 chev lover might be drawn to a greater truth that he sees within me for his own benefit.

O.K. Now, we'll say that they are drawn to the old Stutz Bearcat due to another car collector with a more positive mindset. They have now switched allegiances. How about next they might just see the Great Buddha in another example and have then traveled to that realm. The journey does not stop until they eventually grasp the most true and life giving thing that will be reality for them.

Any great leader, teacher, religious expounder, or parent would want the one that they care about to find what is best for them even if it does not"jive" with their own system. REMEMBER, there are other worlds to be lead into without fear, that give enlightenment and peace to the soul. This is a journey and it does not end. If it did then we would all be back in cave man times and terrified that the god of thunder and lightening would destroy us if we ever made even the tiniest mistake.

Its a journey!!! It could just be, and it is just one of my crazy thoughts, that we all just might end up in the same place and at real peace.

you re right ancient,it is a great battle,i went through the same thing and understand totally what you mean.it takes time to understand that your inner world is the most important and that fear and anger can destroy your own peace.i m glad as well when someone puts me in doubt cause it makes me better and it is good for the other person too to recognize it.otherwise i just stay silent and try to understand the other person s need to put me down.what happens then is that you kind of dismantled this person s attack and this person is powerless against you so then you wait...either this person is going to come to its senses which rarely happens or it is going to find another prey.some people are far more clever and make you believe they ve come to their senses.be humble and vertical. it s sometimes a real fight.once somebody got hold of you through fear or anger or sadness you have to understand what happens to you and remain silent.

very nice phyllis!some songs really awaken your true blood!

actually ancient it is very interesting to be able to be naked in front of someone to get new insights,when you actually got relationships that go beyond the world of opposites.

gemineye, that is a very thought provoking statement - to be naked in front of someone is to let go of all facades, all persona, and be who you truly are.

For instance, I sense that many people do not understand me or my belief system -- therefore I am often very open about it. I was raised as a Christian and still contain the strong belief that there is a Supreme Being I have faith in. Like in the song verse above, I often call this Supreme Being God or more often, Creator. Yet when I pray, I pray with that part of me that has connection to the Highest Within and Without. To me, this Supreme Being is the Great Mother (Gaia) who knows all before I even speak it. The Great Mother, God, Creator are all one and the same for me. This Being encompasses all there is or ever will be, and is The First, The Only.

I hold within me all I will ever need and when in need I go within, to the silence and listen to the voice of my soul to let Spirit guide me. I often speak with the Mother and She is very kind and gentle, compassionate, understanding. If not for the Mother, these last few years would have been very difficult and may have destroyed me. I stand strong in my belief system and I stand strong in myself.

We all must stand strong within ourselves. In spirit opposites come together to make a whole. Blessed Be

Gemineye, Old order witches as well as very evolved spirit beings are always naked in front of each other. Let me rant a little here. Inhibition is a man made code of ethics. Did we ever think about why we have so many E.D. products???? Think deeply about that one!!!!! First of all, were we born with clothes? We are taught to be ashamed of ourselves in this culture. I am not ashamed of who I am inside or out. Now if any reader thinks that I will go clothless in this culture because of this statement it is time to look a little deeper. I would ask please that no one on here condemn my words until one thinks about them for a given time. Bear with me with an open mind here.

When I was a youth a bunch of my buds and I would go over to the old gravel pit as it was a swimming hole. It was so deep that none of us could ever find the center bottom. It was also very secluded. We would strip off and swim. We used to call it skinny dippin. We would splash and dunk each others heads under the water in fun. The local law enforcement probably knew what we were doing as he probably did the same when he was young. Things were different in these remote parts of the country a few years back. Then we fellas would sit on the bank on sand and rocks and talk. We would talk about girls. We talked about some very deep feelings that young guys have and the fact that by this point, laying in our birthday suits we had total trust in each other. These were conversations that ran deep yet allowed each of us to express our most inner and beautiful feelings all the way to our core. A few of these guys also spoke of same gender feelings. Some of these guys were LDS, some Catholic, some of other Christian faiths, and my closest friend and I were of Witch,Christian and his Christian backgrounds. Cultural intolerance of such deep communication and resolution is another form of a modern curse upon our own people.

Those early talks helped me to see what true respect was for each other and the depth of respect for the female gender. Some of us talked openly about the COOL things about each of our girl friends. To this day those, years ago, talks continue to strengthen my marriage of 44 years. My lady is the coolest gal on the planet!! The problem with our culture is that we have become plastic puppets with little or no real honesty about our true feelings. I believe that young kids commit suicide because of the fact that they are not taught about understanding and hearing the real feelings of others without judgement. This should come from Moms and Dads and not school officials or government.

One little story for you. A young man went off to war. His tour was up and he wired his folks about another soldier that he had made friends with who he felt very sorry for. The soldier had been made the subject of ridicule as he had same gender sexual feelings. The young man knew that his mom and dad, who were Christian, would understand and give the guy some needed acceptance for even just a short stay with them. He asked if he could bring him home with him.

The parents responded very positively about how all of us need a "leg up" if you will and would be glad to have him come and stay for a short visit, except for a few details. They said that they have limited room. They said also that they are getting older and don't have quite the patience that they used to. They said that they would like him to come and stay but maybe he better not come home with him due to the extra amount of work that it will entail.

That was the last correspondence that the young soldier ever had with his parents again until the letter from the government accompanied by the chaplain.

Look within.

i totally agree ancient,i can t do it everyday being naked(my soul) but i used to until i had my problems,the thought was just coming back when i was writing here,cause these are like channels i m reopening,i m not totally back but i feel the need here to be naked because of the people or what you said,because of fulfillment for others and for me.it was to say that it was really nice to be able to do that,cause then you have a real relationship.i m not used at all to talk with people like you or witches i lost contact at one point. as for naked without clothes,home i m always naked,eating too,cause i feel i m experiencing more.i used to live in the woods for a few months and there to was walking naked when the time and place was correct cause i could experience nature to the fullest and feel like a tree and i could feel what atree was against my skin.trees are like people just they let you be, don t ask you for anything but to be yourself. i do accept my same gender feelings too cause i accept my woman side,some guys i feel more of a woman because i m feeling that it is as a woman i should come to them and i should just let myself guide by that feeling.and at the same times it means they open my woman side.i always used to think i am the mother and i am the father,and when i put them together i create the child i am and live peacefully and in harmony.i like to change spiritually speaking from woman to man,or more correctly from water to fire. it s very nice.i think what you said was great ancient.you re amazing and full of riches that ask for creation.walk in peace. you re right phyllis,your inner world is the most important thing and that is really all you need cause all is there.the more you inner world is open the less you need to take from the outside,replace the spiritual by the material because of a lack of iner life as the focus here is to live regardless for our inner life either because of temptations or tyranny and cruelty.life outside is overcrowded and people take more from the earth they need to,it s like making a woman pregnant continuously and draining her from all the fruits.we re in a society where the outside is more important than the inside cause it is better to control and see,freedom is sold through material means, when the real tresure is be who you really are which is the greatest treasure of all which you can do by having an inner life. i m nota catholic but i studied all religions put them back together and followed them all to the source to see it was all the same.i don t feel i belong to any particular group but i have a vinyl with the virgin mary holding the divine child in her arms in front of my bed cause i really like it.i always looked when i was kid for my real mother until i understood i looked for my spiritual mother that i never want to leave caus e she encourages me to live in harmony and loves me with all her heart.she gives me life and everything i need and in her arms i can heal.she is a bit like venus to me or the woman with the stars.i just want to serve her too and remain the child cause i can be with her, and i don t believe in the man stereotype.just like you say, without that link i would long have been dead. FIRE WALK WITH ME! I think your amazing phyllis and so grouded and rooted deep within the earth and that you are pregnant with lots of things and very protective like a guardian,you go way back to the ancient tribes.your chants really take you anywhere you want.

Good Morning Everyone,

Cassie, about your post... I read a quote on facebook recently. "What if instead of worshiping Jesus, we followed him."

I really think that says it all. I really believe that Jesus had a message of how we were supposed to act with compassion toward mankind, not "force" anything on anyone.