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Hi Benign, welcome to the BellaOnline Forum and glad to see you have started to post.

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You'll have to give me a reference on those, too. And Zaccheus doesn't count, even though he was a little person.

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Also worth checking the "Sacred Texts" site online. It has all the books that were removed and edited for various reasons.


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"We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves."

"With realization of one's own potential and self-confidence in one's ability, one can build a better world. "

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Angels mentioned in the Quran are Gabriel and Michael.

We have two recording angels, who work in shifts, who witness and record everything we do.

The angels come when our lives are terminated to take us to our final destination.

They submit totally to the will of God and do his bidding.

The Angels of Babel brought magic to mankind with a warning that it was a test and humans used it to destroy marriages.

The Quran says that he appointed the angels to be messengers with wings - two, three and four...(35:1)

Oh and the devil (Lucifer, Satan, Iblis) is a fallen angel and the cause of most of our downfalls.

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Good morning seahorse1,
I love it when I dig in and learn something new. Your points about the name Lucifer are right on. The Hebrew heylel means day-star or shining one, and the Latin Lucifer really has no business being in an English translation. Tradition is a powerful thing, often for good, but not always.

But I don't know that I would be dogmatic about the Isaiah passage being only about the king of Babylon. I believe it's one of many passages in Scripture that refer to something earthy, here and now or near future, but that are also talking about a bigger picture idea and/or a far future event. Christians are not unanimous in their opinions about this passage (shocker) but I see value in reading it also as a description of the sin that caused Satan's fall. Thinking of it this way, some phrases fit an earthly king more (such as going to Sheol) and some fit Satan more (such as "make myself like the Most High"). And stars represent several different things in Scripture, of course.
So thanks for posting, and I look forward to future conversations.

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