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#6434 06/18/04 08:39 AM
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hey guys long time no types.. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

i'm so upset coz i don't know what to do. my fighters are getting sick one by one are showing fin rot and gill inflation. i don't know what's wrong with them or what to do.

my lady fighter has the worst case of fin rot and a red sore near her mouth, i've been treating her with a mixture of fungus ade, melafix,pimafix and aqua salt. she's so sick and i want to help her.

the others have gotten sick via trying to spawn. the males that try end up getting fin rot and one femal came out with gill inflamation.

SYdney's (Australia) water, i have a hunch there's something in the water.

i age it for about 2days with water ager CN and aeration. but still they manage to get sick. pH is around 7.4-7.6... tem is roughly 28degrees which is 78-82F...ummm i don't know what else to tell you.

please help..

Thanx guys.. :kiss:

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#6435 06/18/04 11:01 AM
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Wow Kei...I have no idea except that there must be something in the water.

When you say gill inflation..do you mean one or both gills sticking out constantly? I have a picture of Jax with that problem on the 'rate a fish' page. Some information I got from Glo, I believe, said that inflamed gills can be caused by nitrite or nitrate burn..can't remember which.. Jax's problem started when I carelessly added too much ph down to the water..one thing with him after another for weeks after that..with the gill issue being one.

I treated him by imediately changing his water with the proper amount of 'stuff' and doing the bettafix/salt/warm temps treatment and keeping his water very clean to prevent infection in his gills. I did at one point have to treat him with stronger meds but eventually he pulled through fine.

It's good to hear from you again Kei, though I am sorry it's for such a reason as this. Wish you and your little fighters all the best....Wait for Jilly to respond though...she probably has some better advice for you.

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upset coz i don't know what to do. my fighters are getting sick one by one are showing fin rot and gill inflation. i don't know what's wrong with them or what to do.

my lady fighter has the worst case of fin rot and a red sore near her mouth, i've been treating her with a mixture of fungus ade, melafix,pimafix and aqua salt. she's so sick and i want to help her.

the others have gotten sick via trying to spawn. the males that try end up getting fin rot and one femal came out with gill inflamation.

SYdney's (Australia) water, i have a hunch there's something in the water.

i age it for about 2days with water ager CN and aeration. but still they manage to get sick. pH is around 7.4-7.6... tem is roughly 28degrees which is 78-82F...ummm i don't know what else to tell you.
Hi Kei. this doesn't sound so good. let me go thru this. I'd start by mixing up a brand new batch of water. Fill a large bucket with lukewarm/room temp water. use your hand to gauge it. Add declorinator and NOTHING else, unless you have chloramines in your water. If so, you need to add a dechloraminator. Ask your LFS.

Immediately change everyone's water. Don't wait days to age it. this is totally unnecessary if you have the dechlor products.

Don't mess with the pH. more fish get sick this way than I can tell you. Emg is very good at doing this, but even she can make a mistake. For most people, it's NOT worth messing with. i need to write an article on this, but for now, take my word for it.

Keep all your fighters separated or carded, so they don't see each other and get upset. Raise the ambient temp into the low to mid 80s, but high 70s is better than nothing. make like a sick bay thing, so you don't have to heat each tank. Ask Emg. Emg has a sickbay pic in Rate a Fish, towards the front of the pics, so you will have to go thru a lot of pix. Also re-read the thread on heating betta tanks (see table of contents thread at the top of forum).

NEXT, don't put so much stuff in your water. All those meds mixing isn't good and adds a big load of ions. Your best bets are SUPER CLEAN water and good heat. I would keep up the salt and bettafix (melafix is a bit too concentrated, IMO, for bettas, so get bettafix). But give them a break from the med cocktail. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

that's really all you can do. Some people have success with stronger meds, but I find they are made for at least ten gallon tanks, and it's really hard to make it right for a betta situation. You can always do the mix it up in a ten gallon and fill your bowl from that method. I have not tried that, but it does make sense. I always seem to do well with the more natural route.

You might wantt to call your water compnay and ask if there is anything you should know. Maybe your health is in danger...tell them about your fish and see if they have had any other reports. Your fish should not all be sick at once, so I would treat this as an actual concern.

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Kei,

I'm sorry about your sweet fish. Maybe letting them spawn isn't a good idea. Emg lost her male -- seems like it takes too much out of them. I agree with Jilly, the simpler, the better. If you can't find BettaFix, look it up on the web -- it's 2% tea tree oil, I think MelaFix is also tea tree oil, but it may be stronger.

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Nan


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#6438 06/18/04 06:26 PM
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I agree with Jilly about not using the stronger meds on bettas. I think that is one of the reasons I lost F'lar. First it was a fungus type thing, so I did the bettafix, that didn't work so I tried the stronger meds...then he got ick and I had to treat him for THAT....too much all at once. I tried to be careful about it but it just didn't work. I believe Jilly definitly has it right about only using bettafix, salt and warm temps to help these little fish when they're in trouble.

One other thing I would do which I think helps me alot, is to feed them really good stuff. Since I have had the fry my adults get a regular treat of brine shrimp. Anytime I have some left over, rather than put it back in the shrimp mix I just dole it out to the big guys/gals. They really enjoy it. I also feed them live blood worms when I can get them..or have the time to hunt them down outside. Other than those treats they get regular betta pellets and biogold pellets along with an occasional treat of freeze dried bloodworms or shrimp. All that good food keeps them happy, healthy and strong, so that if something does crop up they are better able to handle it.

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#6439 06/19/04 08:47 AM
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Thanx for all your replies... makes me happy to klnow there are people that know heaps more than me and are willing to share their info..

sounds good to me, the med cocktails were done because the aquarium place i go to suggested it. didn't think it was a good idea but i thought they'd know more than me.

as for the water thing... australia's under water restrictions for now because of the drought and my boyfriend and his mate have also noticed that the water hasn't been they same, bloody politicians or people to do with water supply wouldn't know anything.. (no offence to those who take politic seriously, never can be too careful)

anywayz.. will try the salt and bettafix remedy.heat it roughly kept at bout 80F, so that won't change.

BTW, so sorry to hear about your F'lar EMG.. at least he's in the big bowl in the sky.. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

any one konw it bettafix come in a bigger amount, all i have found here is the 37ml little bottles..

thanx ladies.. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

much luv..

Kei :kiss:

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Hello Kei,

Glad to help! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

As far as the bettafix, the only size I have ever seen is the little 37 ml bottles....however, if you put your fish in a smaller bowl, say 2 pint size, then you won't have to use so much of the bettafix to treat him. It also helps if you have nothing on the bottom of the bowl to be able to syphon out the cruds that show up in there. When treating one of mine with bettafix I take out as little water as I have to to keep the bowl nice and clean..so that I won't have to add any water. Not supposed to add water when doing bettafix remedy.

Good luck to you Kei, and good to hear from you again! <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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Thanx EMG <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> loads of hugs to you.. :love:

looks like i'm going hunting for sick bay jars and heaps of betta fix tomorrow..

i'll keep you posted guys..

thanx again...

Kei :kiss:

#6442 06/21/04 02:08 PM
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Kei,
I've used the same bottle of bettafix since February. I just bought a new one, but still have about 1/2 bottle left from the first one. A little bit goes a loooonnnnggg way.

Best wishes to your beauties. We're on the verge of a water shortage here, so I understand what you mean about the quality. Do they sell the water filter pitchers like Britta there? That might help a little bit. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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#6443 06/22/04 08:27 AM
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wow.. how do you make it last so long NAN?
i've got so much betta's too look after and they seemed to have fallen sick one after the other i've gone through 4 bottle in the past 7 months.

maybe keeping them in a smaller compartment would help.

water filters. yeah we have those.. i actually have one installed with my kitchen sink.

you think filtered water with water ager is better to use?
i alwayz thought it didn't matter as long as i used the ager with the tap water.

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