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Re: Auto bailout? [Re: Vance - Crime Editor] #469477 11/19/08 02:11 AM
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Do you think people in control at companies would not rather pay 1.50 an hour as opposed to 14.00 an hour?


They are paying far more than $14.00 an hour. The unions make it difficult for US companies to compete with non-US companies. The average hourly wage (with benefits) is $78.21 (see below). This is for a job that requires no education. That is outrageous. I agree with Lynn, we need to make it easier for companies to do business in the US.

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The current veteran UAW member at GM today has an average base wage of $28.12 an hour, but the cost of benefits, including pension and future retiree health care costs, nearly triples the cost to GM to $78.21, according to the Center for Automotive Research.


The media is making a big deal about the ripple effects that will occur if the auto industry fails, however, the media has much to lose as well since the auto companies spend massive amounts on advertising. The media has lost it's credibility and this is just another demonstration of their bias reporting.

I agree with whoisjohngalt, we need to give capitalism a chance. They have the opportunity to succeed but with that opportunity comes the risk of failure. The government needs to get out of the way and let them figure out how to keep their companies afloat.

Besides, the government lied to us about how they would handle the initial bailout. What reason to we have to believe they will be honest with this one?


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Re: Auto bailout? [Re: toddzgrrl02] #471287 11/25/08 09:19 PM
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I would like to disagree that the NAFTA caused Job loses in Flint or anywhere else in Michigan. It's just a total mismanagement of the top executives from the Big Three. Why do they want to buy from Mexico? To cut cost? Then why are the Japanese companies like Toyota, Honda and Nissan building manufacturing facilities in the US? To cut cost? The biggest problem with the automotive manufacturers in Michigan are the top executives who take home a big paycheck even if the company loses billions of dollars. How does Toyota and Honda make a profit in a year like this without laying off as much workers in US as the American Automotive companies? Question to ask yourself if Mexico has anything to do with taking jobs away? If you would like to find someone to blame, blame the UAW and Unions here in the US. They are the biggest culprit on why companies and factories are moving manufacturers elsewhere. The Unions push for companies to increase pay, less work, more benefits, it all helps the workers but if the companies don't make money it's still their loss right? Something most companies do or should do, is establish a profit sharing for workers to motivate people to work harder and promote better quality products. I have no idea of how Automotive manufacturer's manage their companies but I do think that there are too many executives in the top level that costs the companies more money for people who don't do anything but sit in their offices. That's where they should be laying off workers.

Re: Auto bailout? [Re: bri729] #471289 11/25/08 09:30 PM
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A brief story that explains it all.

A Japanese Company and a US company decided to have a canoe race on the Columbia river. Both teams practiced hard and long to reach thier peak performance before the race.

On the big day, the Japanese team won by a mile.

Afterwards, the USA team became very discouraged and depressed. The management of the US company decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found. A "Measurement Team" made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

Their conclusion was that the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the US team had 1 person rowing and 8 people steering.

So the management of the US company hired a consulting company and paid them incredible amounts of money. They advised that too many people were steering the boat and not enough people were rowing.

So to prevent losing to the japanese again the next year. The US team chose to ignore the reports findings. The management team 's structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendant steering manager. They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the "Rowing Team Quality First Program" or RTQFP for short, with meetings, dinners, t shirts and free pens for the rower. "We must give the rower empowerment and enrichment through this quality program."

The next year the Japanese team won by 2 miles. Humiliated, the management team laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of the new canoe, sold the paddles and cancelled all capital investments for new equipment. They then used the money saved by giving a high performance award to the steering managers and distributed the rest of the money as bonuses to the senior executives.

Re: Auto bailout? [Re: bri729] #471425 11/26/08 02:24 PM
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Love it! Very nice, bri729.

Re: Auto bailout? [Re: Vance - Crime Editor] #474250 12/09/08 04:34 AM
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I have a 'little' problem with the SUV, Pickup, situation. WE NEED them!

FYI there is a difference in a pickup and a Truck.

Please, people in town drive your little electric cars and leave us alone!

It is so ridiculous to see SUV's and pickups in cities and urban areas.

Believe it or not, it's kinda like....blue jeans use to be cheap for us who needed, worked in them until 'Urban Cowboy' made them popular. And then we could hardly afford them.

Re: Auto bailout? [Re: jennn] #474299 12/09/08 01:21 PM
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If the libs have their way, we won't have ANY cars that take fuel. The gov wants the bailout people to agree to make special cars that no one wants to, or can afford to, buy... so much for coming up with a plan that will be successful for the automakers.


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Re: Auto bailout? [Re: toddzgrrl02] #486394 01/20/09 03:04 AM
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From Bri729: "...blame the UAW and Unions here in the US." I say AMEN to that.

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