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First before beginning, let me say that I am neither a democrat or a republican. I am more of a libertarian. I feel that as a country, we have made a grave mistake in electing this man for president. He is very inexperienced, no less than what the press expressed of Palin.
Second, it is my understanding through many channels that he is not a natural born citizen of the U.S.
He cannot be president if that is the case.
Second, why did he pretend to be someone he's not. His real name is not Barack Obama. It's very obvious why he didn't use his real name.
Third, when the press had factual evidence of him and his associations with radicals, why did the public turn a blind eye to that? Most people I know don't vote anymore for the simple reason of knowledge. We as Americans don't elect the President in this country. Our opinions matter not.
He is elected simply by the electoral college. Why waste time going to vote for something you have no sway in?
He never even passed a bill the whole time he did serve as a senator. Good record. Two years and you think you're presidential material. I think NOT.....
I am content at least with the knowledge that when he turns out to be the socialist supreme, then the only ones to blame are the ones who supported him.
I would much rather see someone else run this country, even if it wasn't McCain.
Someone who isn't in it strictly to break a racial barrier or to make history in some form or for their own selfish reasons. America needs someone with real experience and a willingness to finally put things back to normal for this country and quit worrying about overseas problems. We have enough of our own in our own country. Big Big Mistake Obama Supporters. HUGE MISTAKE!!!!!

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1. His mother is American. He is american. How is he not?
2. His name is Barack Obama. What name do you think it is?
3. Since when did someone have to be uber experienced to be President. We have had many Presidents with different levels of experience. Each brings their own level ofexperience, wants, needs, etc to the table. Obviously, the most American people wanted him and believed in him. He did win BOTH the Electorial Vote and the Popular Vote.
4. You are entitled to your beliefs. Period. Whether your reasoning is over truths or half-truths, or even falsities, is your right. If you voted, and didn't vote for him, that is your choice. If you voted for him, thats your choice. If you didn't vote, then like my mother said, you just need to shut up and do your duty next time. When you vote, you have the right to complain. If you don't, just bite your tongue.\

You are entitled to your opinion. It is your right. I respect you for it. I believe differenly. That is my right. Hopefully America made the right decision. Until he completes his term, we will not know. It's really that simple.


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He may be "inexperienced" and that could be a little scary, but he is surrounding himself with people that are experienced.

Right now, I am all for people with little experience - look what has happened with people that have had experience. My life is no better off and I am looking forward to some change.

The electoral college - I agree on that. We have computers that tally up our votes and that should do it.



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As I said, if you voted for him, that's your opinion, which is fine.
Yes, his mother may be American but where was he born? Why would a prominent Washington attorney file a lawsuit the day he was elected to have him removed based on his not being a natural born citizen?
No, his name was not Barack Obama. He had a european name, a regular christian name. Why did he change it to Hussain Barack Obama and try to claim he's a christian.
And why would you try to be something you're not when you know that your mother is white and yet you try to pass yourself off as pure african american?
Please......This is what I've been trying to say, He's not genuine.
At least Palin had nothing to hide and wasn't ashamed of who she is, let alone her heritage.
Inexperience is not a good thing for Presidents. That's what makes them stupid.
And you're still failing to recognize the simple fact that this country doesn't need to be involved in foreign affairs. We should be helping our own people.
Obama is no different from most politicians. A good liar who will end up screwing alot of people, and don't worry, it won't be the elite. It will be the regular working class. You give him way to much airs. He is nothing but a man and very capable of failure and he will.

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Obama was born in Kenya and his mother filed a certificate of live birth in Hawaii and his birth records are sealed and became sealed the day he left Hawaii when he visited there a couple of weeks or so back. I dont know why they didnt make a bigger stink about that and I bet Arnold is upset. lol.


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Emotions aside, this man IS just a man. Emotions only drive this thing. I feel like I'm in an audience watching what happens next. There are much better - way better men of color, nationality, etc. than what was picked. I'd die tomorrow knowing in my gut just that. The feeling is just - mind throttling. I have no words to explain the impact and the things that will be going on. The average person doesn't know or comprehend.

The feeling I had was that a larger group of people pick him (on the inside fo the gov't) to BE elected. Favors were pulled, etc. It's just like a chess game. He WAS the final piece to the game. It was nothing more than that. It was just good timing for the people to insure his placement.

He will be in hindsite what we, the average public, see when we do something we end up regretting more years than we can account for.

The american people survive this and it WILL be the middle class that get's whapped. Why? Because they will endure it and sustain while the upper and lower incomes go on doing what they've always done. Take little responsability for the way things are playing out. The wealthy will pass on any taxes they get. Mark these words. Lower incomes by word of mouth end up getting more and more ways of living at the expense of the govt. The thing is, what they get will end up bottoming out. If they become completely dependent, they'll have no where to go when there is a break in those financial stipens they count on every month to survive. Learn to do it on your own. Buyer be - ware!

FYI - This passes...have that faith and just because Obama has people of experience around him, don't be fooled. There is another agenda here and it will be change. Not what you'll be hoping for though. Resilience America smile Never forget that!

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He has never tried to pass himself off as pure african american. He claims his white family. He has never denied them. so that point is moot.

As for passing himself off as christian, who are we to judge what his faith is? He has said he was christian, he has proclaimed his faith as christian, he went to a christian church for DECADES. Who are we to judge if he is christian enough. isn't it the christian faith that says all you have to do is claim jesus christ as your personal lord and savior and you are saved. Washed free of your sin in His blood?

I am not arguing your opinion, just the facts. Wjem O see facts claimed incorrectly, I have to point them out. It's who I am.

As for foreign affairs, we are involved in the no matter if we like it or not. Obama wants to get things right here and abroad. We have to correct our image and our foreign relations. It's important. We import 70% of our oil. We need to rely on relations with foreign countries. If we don't, we lose out. It would be stupid not to be concerned with foreign affairs.


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Jase, I am not trying argue with you. Just making my own point. I am not judging his religion. I don't care if he's muslim or christian, etc. What I care about is him being truthful with the public.
Plus you can't deny the fact that he used his race to his advantage to sway votes. Basically saying in front of one minority, he would claim to be one thing and in front of another, claim to be another.
Yes, unfortunately, our foot is stuck in the door with foreign affairs but as I said, it shouldn't be. We should be more concerned with fixing our own problems before trying to fix others.
How dare we as a country stick our nose into foreign countries trying to fix things, run things, etc, when our own go homeless, our vets mistreated, and the list goes on and on. We are a screwed up country and we deserve to go down the hard way. The government would've been better off letting this country fall into a depression than bail out the banks and auto makers who brought about their own demise. Who will pay for that? We will and all of our future generations.
How can you put your faith in this man?

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Some facts:

Full Name: Barack Hussein Obama II
DOB: 8/4/61
Place of Birth: Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii
Parents: Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang�oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, a white American from Wichita, Kansas

About his birth certificate and citizenship: In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

On November 1, the director of Hawaii�s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

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Plus you can't deny the fact that he used his race to his advantage to sway votes. Basically saying in front of one minority, he would claim to be one thing and in front of another, claim to be another.


I think any politician that had been able to do this would have. Obama just happens to be the first one to be capable of using this strategy as part of his campaign.

Anyone running for any kind of office uses any strenght he or she has to win that office. That's just "playing politics".


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Jase, no problem there. Thank you for providing that info. Much appreciated.

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Right. Hilary would have played the Gender Card. Come to think of it, Palin actually did. She called herself a Soccer Mom. Not a Soccer Parent. smile

McCain played the War Hero Card. You use what you got.

It's all part of politics, as Michelle said. I honestly can't hold it against anyone.

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I just saw this thread, and all I can say is, wow, the smear machine (and I honestly don't blame the McCain campaign for this, as I doubt he had any control over it -- though they did only a little late in the campaign to quell some of the worst of the falsehoods floating around out there.)

The candidate that was not born on American soil (though still is an American citizen from birth) was McCain.

And the idea that Barack Obama was an assumed name? That boggles the mind. Why on earth would someone aspiring to be president choose a name that would make his journey that much more difficult?

I think he brings a calm intelligence that has the potential to help the country. We will all see how he uses that in the coming years.


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Originally Posted By: bahrain

Plus you can't deny the fact that he used his race to his advantage to sway votes. Basically saying in front of one minority, he would claim to be one thing and in front of another, claim to be another.


This confused me. I saw President-elect Obama on a national debate talk about his white family AND his black family. I'm pretty certain that those debates aren't segregated. He may target his message to the audience at hand, but that's just politics as usual. Actually, that's *marketing* as usual and that's what a great deal of campaigning is.


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It was at the end of the primaries. Barack gave three or four speeches on the same day. And they went something like this-

"We know what kind of a campaign they are going to run. They are going to try to make you afraid. They are going to try to make you afraid of me. (laughter) He's young (uh) and inexperienced and (uuuh)he has a funny name. Did I mention he's black?" (cheering)"

That was his first stump speech in the General Election and it was calling Republicans racists before the Republicans even had a chance to say anything. This was before his campaign called Republicans racist for suggesting he was as relavent to foreign policy as Paris Hilton. It was before his campaign called Republicans Racists for connecting Franklin Raines (one of the former CEO's who helped mismanage and loot Fannie Mae for Billions on its way downhill) to Obama through a Washington Post article that connected Franklin Raines to Obama.

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It was a great day for America when a brilliant, compassionate man named Barack Obama was elected President, by popular vote as well as through the electoral college.

John McCain gave Barack Obama a good character reference during the election campaign and pledged his support and admiration in his concession speech.

This is the Republican forum, and we have a Republican President, George W. Bush. Government has grown huge in the past 8 years, we have an astounding budget deficit and an economic crisis that is mind-boggling to economic experts. Why waste time complaining about the election when we have the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, a crisis in education, people losing their jobs, homes, savings and retirement when *most* of them have worked hard and lived responsibly all their lives?

Republicans are so much better than this. Where are the voices who can re-establish conservative values rather than prattle on about off-beat campaign stories? Fiscal responsibility, moderate government interference, and free enterprise cannot be of so little interest. Republicans in my community are working on neighborhood challenges and supporting businesses in crisis. Tapping out anti-Obama messages from the comfort of your keyboard is not that impressive. Where are the real Republicans who helped build our country up and who support the government elected by we, the people?

It's a sad day that this kind of irrelevant dog poop is cluttering up Republican discussion groups. No wonder so many Republicans voted for Barack Obama. His message was directed at the middle class and small business. They certainly were listening - everyone else was talking about him, and he was talking about us.

Republicans must do better than this.

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Nobody was listening to him, that is the problem. Nobody wants to see him for what he is. I don't just pick out smeres from some ananymous blog. I am taking these politicians at there own words. I put the links in there and do the research so that you can check it out for yourself.

There is not one issue that I agree with with Obama, nor has there been anyone- and I mean anyone- who could tell me what he has accomplished that would signify that he is capable, ready, or deserving of the White House.

He hasn't passed a meaningful piece of legislation and he obviously hasn't done anything meaningful in the South Side of Chicago (if you visit there, you will find out why I say that). He doesn't even qualify for a level one government security pass.

It was racist and nit-picking to say anything about Obama during the election, and now that it is over, we are all supposed to ralley behind him. I won't do it.

I was frustrated during the last eight years of watching movies and books about the assassination of GW. I watched the media bash him and say he was stupid at every turn. I watched the Congress try to ensure defeat in Iraq. I watched a Senator bring forth impeachment charges every other month (not because he thought it would work, but because he thought it would make the president look bad). I have watched the media create scandals such as Scooter Libby and the Attorney General firings. I have even heard liberal talk show hosts guarantee riots if Obama does not win. Where was the unity back then? Just before November 4th.

Now because a liberal is in the White House- and not just any liberal- the most liberal in all of Congress. With criminal and domestic terrorist ties. With racism as a part of his character.

Can't do it. If this makes me a hate monger- so be it but I cannot support this man any more than I could support Putin, Chavez, or Castro if they were to make it to the presidency.

My previous post was in response to Barbara where she did not see him changing his message according to the audience. I was merely pointing out that his message to a mostly black audience was "x" What he said on a national level was "y."

I could also point out that he promised a Jewish audience that the Gaza Strip should maintain its sovereignty. The very next day, in another speech, he said that he would support the Gaza Strip being divided.

Same guy- two different promises based on what audience he was talking to.

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And why is he compassionate? What did he do that gave him that title? His brother is living on $12 a year while his aunt is living in a slum. He is a multi-millionaire. What has he ever done that was compassionate?

Where does his brilliance come from? Why does he get that free title? He wrote a book, but then, so did Jeff Foxworthy.

I am a small business. I listened to what he said and not how he said it. His words Guarenteed that my taxes would go up. That is a campaign promise.

Plus, I don't see how any of this is irrellavent. It is proof of his character. It is a way to gauge what kind of a man was actually behind the pretty speeches and the soft interviews. Based on the election results, a majority of the country still does not know who they elected.

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You are right, however, Pam. There are better things that I could be putting my time towards and pointing out Obama's flaws do not really help the country move forward.

I have never been so emotional and frustrated in my entire life. I hope we put forth a Conservative in 2012. (A Romney/Palin or Palin/Romney ticket would be ideal in my book)

I guess I am just hoping that the Democrat party would start looking at who they are electing and realize that they could be doing a heck of a lot better with their choices as the leaders they are electing could not possibly represent them. There could not be that many socialists in this country. I just don't buy it.

Where most people have hobbies like sports, cooking, T.V., bird-watching- whatever, I follow politics. I have several notebooks full of quotes, decisions, comments, what have you from many elected officials. Most of it would shock the average citizen and they would not believe that politicians are saying these things in America.

For example, what elected politician said this about Barack Obama,

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Pop that into Google. Youtube if you want to listen to it directly from the speaker. (Once again, the politician did not know he was being recorded)

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This is a very sad day for America, my father is fuming from his grave. He served in the Korean War and fought against having this type of government, socialism, for nothing. My own daughter, who calls herself a Constitutionalist, NOT, voted for Obama. It broke my heart. My greedy sisters and brothers voted for him; I have no idea what I am going to do this Thanksgiving. Everyone has their hands out!! How lazy.. Also, our education system, by not educating about our country's history and not teaching economics, is causing history to repeat itself, (the Carter years), and our country is going to suffer greatly.

I have to also give the fault for the outcome of this election to the liberal Republicans. They caused this to happen as it looked as if there is no difference between the Republicans an Democrats. There isn't any difference. I am hoping for a disgust so great that another party shows up; the Conservative Party.

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Wow, once again, very well said whoisjohngalt. My feelings exactly!


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Pam, this forum is the Republican "home" and haven. It is not appropriate to come here and chastise their comments or viewpoints.

Everybody please be respectful of the forum you are posting in.

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You have got to be kidding about Obama being racist. Who does he hate? You don't have to be behind Obama because I wasn't behind Bush. I didn't vote during Bush's second presidency because I wanted him to win. I didn't want him to be able to stick our troops in Iraq and just walk away as a popular president. I knew that his second term would destroy him. Prediction true. I knew he would get us into war when he became president. Prediction true. He knows nothing else. What he did in Texas that will be remembered is the death penalty. You voted for him because you thought you were getting some moral upright commander in chief. Did you check his test scores? The only reason that Palin was more popular than McCain is because you thought she was another moral upright commander in heels.

When Obama tells one audience one thing and tells another audience something else. They all do that. We need someone who can bring everyone to the table and get them to compromise. He has been very successful at that. Give him a chance.

Bush came right into office telling the Palestenian people that we would not be involved with their peace efforts as the past administration. Did you really think we could just walk away. They found a way to pull us deep into the fray. Anyone remember Osama?

Your future looks very bright, Galt (repeat after me as I waive my hand like a Jedi).

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Originally Posted By: no2much4u
You have got to be kidding about Obama being racist. Who does he hate? You don't have to be behind Obama because I wasn't behind Bush. I didn't vote during Bush's second presidency because I wanted him to win. I didn't want him to be able to stick our troops in Iraq and just walk away as a popular president.


Firstly, there is not a question in my mind that Obama has some racism in him. Even though he claims that he missed the years worth of Sundays that his pastor was spewing hate, racism, and anti-Americanism and he did not know about the character of the man that he has once called a moral compass. A man who married him and Baptized his children. A man that he called a friend and mentor. Not to mention the fact that the church has honored Louis-Fara-CON on several occasions, a man who has called the white man the, "skunk of the Earth," and the Jewish religion as, "a gutter religion." Barack Obama also gave his famous quote in regards to his white grandmother who passed on just before he was elected,

" .. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it..." - Senator Barack Obama

This was in regards to his comments about her and his thoughts about white people from his book. What would we call it if McCain were to say a "typical black person?"

Secondly, I am amazed at the idea that a time-table in Iraq was thought to be the answer. Do you realize we still have troops stationed in Germany as well as other former war zones in the world. It is beyond naive, it is dangerous to tell the enemy, "By June "x" 2009, we will be gone." What would you do if you were a bank robber and the cops said, "Okay, we are leaving the city next Tuesday, forever."

Just because McCaine and Bush have said that we will be there as long as it takes even if it takes 100 years does not mean that they are "sticking" our troops in Iraq and walking away. Not to mention, if you look at Bush's approval ratings, you will see that they are very low. (I would blame the constant attacks on his character for the last eight years, but that is my opinion) Why do you suppose Hamas endorses Obama? Why do you suppose Al Quada and dictators from around the world show their support for Democratic leaders that say, "The War is Lost."?

Originally Posted By: no2much4u
The only reason that Palin was more popular than McCain is because you thought she was another moral upright commander in heels.


That's so far off the mark that it is just offensive. The female aspect had nothing to do with my support of Palin nor did Obama's race have anything to do with my opposition to him. I supported Palin because she was a plain spoken Conservative. The fact that she has morals... Why would you want to follow a leader without morals? We have many Senators right now without morals who are on video defending the former fraudulant mortgage practices while attacking the whistle blowers (2006), on record accepting large donations from the mortgage giants (last 15 years), and pretend to be outraged and try to fix the problem by throwing money at it. They try to convince the American People that the situation is a crisis and the bailout needs to be taken care of yesterday or the economy will crash. It took them two weeks to pass something and the economy did not crash in that time. There is no shame from guys like Barney Frank or Chris Dodd.

Our founding fathers had morals and they were not ashamed to believe in God. They would not even recognize this country right now. In fact, most of what they warned us about is coming to pass.

Originally Posted By: no2much4u
When Obama tells one audience one thing and tells another audience something else. They all do that. We need someone who can bring everyone to the table and get them to compromise. He has been very successful at that. Give him a chance.


That may be true that many of them do that, but if you accept it to be true that your candidate will stare right into the camera and lie through his teeth, what do you really know about your candidate? Why is it the standard in politics to let your candidate get away with dodging tough questions or lying about important issues? These people are supposed to be a representation of the masses. That's what a Republic is. We need to hold them accountable when they say things like, "spread the wealth."

Secondly, Obama has Never comprimised in his entire political career. Not one instance that I have found. He has never worked with Republicans to pass a bill, his voting record is farther to the left than any other Senator. (When he didn't just vote present)

Originally Posted By: no2much4u
Anyone remember Osama?


Osama Bin Laden has been on the most wanted list since 1993 when he tried to blow up the World Trade Center with a car bomb. Currently, he is in hiding. What do you want? The only reason we found Sadaam in that tiny hole was because a family member ratted him out. I think that is what it is going to take to find Bin Laden (if he is still alive). I don't think the failure to capture Bin Laden is really a fair measurment of how successfull we have been with the War on Terror. SO FAR, and this is 7 years talking, we have not been hit Domestically. I would say that is pretty good thing. I don't care if Bin Laden stays in hiding for the remainder of his days as long as he is unable to carry out any successful plots against my country.

One last thing, you do not come out of Chicago Politics as a peaceful uniter. Especially when your district is the South side. You come out ruthless. You come out hard. You eliminate your opponites rather than run against them as Obama did with his State Senate and US Senate races.

Originally Posted By: no2much4u
Your future looks very bright, Galt (repeat after me as I waive my hand like a Jedi).


I like that no2much4u, sometimes I wish it were just that easy smile

(I'm sorry for the REEEEALY long answer, I just wanted to address each point )

-whoisjohngalt

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