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Originally Posted By: thedopespot


I am taking the course as an elective. I had 6 credits to fill so I chose this class. I'm a Criminology major and Sociology minor so it fit my core curriculum.

The course isnt really about raising children, its main topic is how the American family fits into todays society and some of the challenges the institution of family faces.


In that context, it makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation smile


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This made my blood boil. College is a time for people to hear and express different views and expand horizons etc. Learn new points of view, ideas etc etc. Duh. A professor should never dictate what is or is not right or what someone should do, especially in a class such as that. Among other things, it stifles learning. To comment on how your race places into it is even worse . It seems like this woman has no concept of the other ways in which someone can contribute to society . That professor needs a good scolding. To me that is such an abuse of the classroom. Depending on how far you want to take it, you might consider saying something to her, writing her, to the class etc. The classroom is not her soapbox. So narrow minded. Argh.

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What a horrible teacher! It makes me mad when a place like a university - where you are PAYING to be able to have intellectual discourse - hires people who aren't open to learning. It seems like a good soc. professor would've used you as an example to talk about what defines a family, what impact childfree families have on society, the economy, the planet etc. And on top of that belittling you in front of the class... Growl.

Reminds me of a professor I had who took a dislike to me when I argued with her about the definition of a word I used in a paper. Instead of looking up the definition and learning something, she made me move seats and partnered me up with an african student who spoke almost no english for our huge end of term project. Although every grade I got in her class was an A, she gave me a C for the semester.

If you're depending on a good grade in this class, being that it is an elective, you might consider dropping it- and telling the dean why you dropped.


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thedopespot- don't worry about being a guy and posting in this forum, there are lots of men and single people here, too.

I would ask your professor that if she is saying that you should be having children because you are black and in college, does that make uneducated black males stupid? There is a difference. People have intelligence whether they are educated or not. It's kind of like she's implying that college students are superior to other people and therefore are responsible to breed more.

Actually, she proved my point since she is obviously educated, but on this point she's pretty much an idiot.


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Originally Posted By: thedopespot
The course isnt really about raising children, its main topic is how the American family fits into todays society and some of the challenges the institution of family faces.

... one of the biggest undoubtedly being people like you, who spout heresy like the fact that you don't plan on having one :-)

Your professor is sadly out of touch with the realities of eductated people and child rearing. The higher the level of education a person has, the less likely they are to have children. One estimate I read is that as high as 80% of post graduate women in Germany will remain childfree. It's an emerging trend that has really come into the public eye over the last year, and if your professor is unaware of it, then she's really missing a salient point in her teaching of the class.

Do your research before you pick a fight, but believe me, there's a ton of it out there pointing in the same direction that you want to go. Welcome to the forum!!

PS Google "breeder bingo card". It might be fun to have one of these for when class gets a little slow!!

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Wow, I'm really surprised to hear a Sociology lecturer say something like that. I study sociology too, and the one thing all of my lecturers have emphasised is that a sociologist questions the social norms!!!

In a first year sociology paper we explored sociology of the family, and discovered how the notion of a family is socially created. There's no moral imperative to have children, and a family doesn't have to mean 'blood relation'. It seems like you were in a church meeting to me!


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Welcome to the forum thedopespot!

I also took this class in college and I thought it was a really interesting course actually. But I am really disappointed to hear that of all people, a SOCIOLOGY prof said this [censored] to you!!! Instead of insulting and belittling you, she should have taken it as the fascinating opportunity that it was to open a discussion on the CF and how this growing community is perceived in society, what changes we can make in the greater culture, how the CF defines family...I could go on with the interesting topics to ponder but I'm sure you all get my point!

I hope the professor will realize what an irresponsible teacher she's been and make it right for you in the next class. Keep us posted!


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I am so sorry that a proffesional person, and a teacher of learning was so rude and small minded, especially in public. That is an appalling way to behave. And very narrowminded.
No matter how old you are the decision to have children is yours and yours alone.
Being honest and saying what you said was perfectly normal. Don't be discouraged. You did the right thing smile

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mad mad mad

Appalled and fuming here too.

I was a Psych major and would totally have taken a class like this, and would have answered "I have no idea...possibly not," if posed that question. Your school sounds very churchy, or have the pronatalists completely taken over? When I was in school lots of people were undecided about kids. Has the world changed that much?? Very very scary.

I don't want to stir up trouble, but if it were me, I'd be tempted to speak to someone above her if she doesn't profusely apologize. Personally, I wish she would apologize in front of the class, and have to have a whole class session devoted to CF issues! That should NOT have happened.

I hope you'll continue to post here if the mood strikes you.

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It has been ages since I was in college, but even back then I knew I did not want children. From my mindset back then, I think I would have been shocked and embarrassed, as I NEVER discussed my choices about this with anyone. Odds are I would have left that class and dropped it like a hot stone.

BTW, it IS ok for you to be here if you are a CF guy. You are not alone here. If you are looking for a forum to vent or just talk about things, this is the place, man or woman. Just be respectful of the women here (it sounds like you are a respectful individual) and you are welcome to hang out. It's friendly!

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