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Agreed.

I watched an episode of The Sopranos last night, one where Tony was in the hospital after being shot by his uncle. While recovering he had a visit from an evangelical christian pastor who was trying to "save" various patients. Anyway, to make a long story short, he mentioned to Tony that there was a pharmacist who refused to give someone the day after pill so he was fired from his job. The preacher was gathering support to protest this guy's job loss.

Couldn't a pharmacist also refuse to give out other kinds of drugs based on his/her values? These types of pharmacists would have no problem giving out viagra or various fertility drugs. We all know that christians want to be fruitful and multiply. If it leads to more children then the evangelicals are all for it, otherwise they're against it.

Not to get too political here, but isn't it the Republicans who are supported by the evangelical right? Aren't the Republicans the ones currently in charge of bombing Iraq and killing civilians? I suppose in their eyes it's ok to kill people who are already born, but it's against their "morals" and "values" to kill the unborn in the womb. Geez, I've always believed that ALL life is sacred, not just embryonic life. Talk about double standards. I'm not specifically dissing the Republicans as it's also my belief that the Democrats and the Republicans are simply opposite sides of the same coin. They're both bought and paid for by various lobby groups. They work for corporate America, not for "we the people" like they are supposed to.

Sorry, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent but the hypocrisy of our politicians is extremely infuriating!

Eeek, I'd hate to see this turn into a politically-charged thread. I have a throng of comments on war justification, ACLU bashing, democrats, etc. but won't post them here. I have checked out the Politics forum, though, mostly getting input for now until I conduct my due-diligence for the upcoming election.

I can see, however, how this thread could quickly go awry, given its title and how passionate some people are about it...and other human rights/politically-hijacked issues.

I stayed away from the political commentary for me, because yes, abortion is explosive enough as it is. Throw in political leanings and you are placing a can of charcoal fire starter next to a campfire. The combination may or may not go off. But if it does, it blows up quickly.

I didn't want to hijack the thread but this is a very politically charged topic, not just for me.

I'm all for a woman's right to choose but can anyone seriously say that politics does not play a role?

Are politics and religion taboo subjects here? As far as I can tell this board is not PC. CF people are not PC. Our lifestyle choice to not procreate proves that.

Religion is another topic that can become very heated. However, I have seen numerous postings in regards to religion. There are atheists, agnostics and believers of varying degrees here. We can still discuss religion though right?

I am somewhat confused. I would like to know if there are any boundaries here and what they are. However, in the interest of civility I will tone down the political rhetoric.

I totally agree with you Angela!
Making your choise and vote should be a very thoughtful decision

My DH's family is working class - traditionally Democrates.
My family traditionally votes for peoples party. Both of us - me and my husband - make very thoughtful decisions. And both of us voted for and against Democrates and peoples party (many troubles in both parties ).

As you know, election systems in Europe are very different to yours in the US.
In Austria parties are voted...and they also present a huge program before elections...

I think everyone has his own needs..
Teachers (as I am) in austria want many changes in the educational system so everyone has to make a responsible decision...
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I think Canada's Trudeau got it right when he said " the government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation". And likewise should have no business in the results of that bedroom activity ...

The more I read about the influence of fundies and evangelicals on the politics of the USA, the scarier it becomes. I can't believe that a nation that holds itself up as the protector of rights everywhere and the leader of the "free world" would seek to oppress its women in the way these nutjobs would like - and worse, would elect it's leader on this issue! Are there not far more pressing and important issues at stake for the USA?

I was reading a very scary article yesterday, where they were talking to a medical professional who has noticed an alarming upswing in the number of women being admitted to US hospitals as a result of botched/illegal abortion attempts. If abortion is legal in the US, why is this happening? The most chilling part of the interview was when she said "all my collegaues talk about what will happen when Roe v Wade is overturned. Not if. When."

if I was a US citizen, I'd be looking to emigrate.

I think that hospitals are seeing a rise in admissions as a result of botched/illegal abortions because in some areas of the country, it is VERY hard to obtain an abortion. You may have to drive several hours to get to the clinic, have the consultation, wait 24 hours, and then have the abortion. Unless you want to make 2 trips in 2 days, you will have to pay for a hotel room and stay the night; you would probably have to stay for 2 nights since you probably wouldn't want to be doing any heavy traveling right after an abortion.

Also, I think that some women don't want to face the protesters. My mom used to work in the emergency room at a local hospital. There were times when she had to cross the "protest line" just to get to work. Keep in mind, this is just a regular hospital, not an abortion clinic, and there were still protesters.

Finally, some women just don't have the money to pay for the abortion, so they try to do it themselves. I have heard of women ingesting large amounts of castor oil, eating various herbs, etc. to try to start a "miscarriage".

PS- Sorry if my previous comments about the separation of church and state started to turn this into a politically charged thread!

The only issue with this being a political thread is that it might attract attention from outside the CF sphere. However, I agree that politics are a heavily-integrated issue with this topic, and people should be allowed to discuss it if they want to.

You're right Pikasam, that is scary. The 14th amendment is being re-interpreted again by right-wing Supreme Court appointees.

The decimation of the Constitution provides several other reasons to emigrate (ie. the Patriot Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, the Protect America Act of 2007 and the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007).

For people like us who value our privacy and individual rights these laws destroy what our ancestors fought for - our freedom!