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I watched a "real life" tv program today about an out of control child when they got a child psychologist involved and yes the child improved but also note how the mother had no maternal instinct at all. It's long, sad at times, but quite revealing.
I wrote down some of the things from it:

Bad Behaviour

Seven year old Georgia is a child out of control. After six years of terrible behaviour her parents have decided to put her into care. But what is the real cause of her bad behaviour?

Mum: �Why does anybody have a child? Why? It�s just bloody hard work. If you�ve got the love there it isn�t hard work but to me all it was is bloody hard work; inconvenience, mess, noise, expense, curtailment of our social life, enjoyment, our freedom, for WHAT?!�

Kid screams, throws things.

Mum: �Every single thing from the moment she opens her eyes in the morning till the moment she goes to bed is a fight.�

Mum and dad try to put the girl to bed she goes but screams �I wanna go downstairs. Mummy�s horrible, mummy�s horrible.�

She was expelled from her first Nursery at the age of 2 and a half. Five play groups and six childminders later, her parents sought a medical explanation for her behaviour.

Mum: �We�ve had brain scans done, blood tests, she�s had a psychiatric assessment, she�s been to various behavioural therapists.� Nothing conclusive showed up and Fred and Diane feel increasingly isolated. Mum says there is no one they can call who will help and then �They�ve got the flaming nerve to say you were witnessed smacking your child.

�I just want it removed. I can�t say killed cos noone can kill someone. We had a chance to kill it when it was a foetus. We had a good chance and don�t you think we say that time and time again.�

Dad: �We find it very difficult to be warm and loving to a child who tends to want to destroy you.� [Voice wavers as he says this, like he is trying not to cry.]

In November 2002, Fred and Diane had had enough.
Dad: �I rung Social Services and said Well look, something�s gotta happen. I�m gonna get a heart attack and the kid will be without her dad or she�ll have to go into care.�
Mum: �At that moment, that was the solution. Out of face, out of mind, out of sight FREEDOM.�

While they waited for a response from Social Services, Fred made one last attempt to find an alternate. [looking online.] He found a retired teacher, Warrick Dyer
Mum: �He asked how do you feel about your daughter to which I replied at this moment I HATE her.�

Warrick: �You created this child that behaves in this way so don�t blame her for it, it�s not her fault.�

Mum: �If the problem is with us, then why have so many other adults not been able to manage her?�

Georgina gets 30pence a day and each time she�s naughty she loses a penny.
She is as uncooperative as ever.

There�s always been conflict between Dian and Georgina.
The relationship was difficult from the start.

Dian was 30 and immersed in her career.
She unexpectedly found she was pregnant.
Fred already had two grown up children from his first marriage. At 52 he wasn�t sure about starting again.
But Dian had high hopes of motherhood.
Mum: �I wanted a child. Fred said Oh, sleepless nights, do you really want all this, my time of life. I�m determined, I didn�t want to know!

And then of course we had a premature baby, didn�t we? At 32 weeks, special care baby unit. That�s the route of all my problems, cause I�d been used to working with computers or paper and files and I was in control. Push this button, that�s what�s gonna happen. With a baby it was Oh, what does that noise mean? What do I do now? It made feel as if we were doing it all wrong,�.the worst night of my life was when I was in a room in the hospital with her and they�d disconnected all the machines. And I thought Oh my God, I don�t want to go to sleep because supposing she stops breathing!
Then when I brought her home and she cried I thought I�ve fed you I�ve changed you, you�re crying I don�t know what to do!
I had to ask Fred to help cause he�d raised two kids on his own but for me they didn�t come natural.�

Seven years on, parenting still doesn�t come natural to Dianne.

But she and Fred are hoping behaviour expert Warren Dyer will help them.

The parents have to control their anger and not shout at Georgina but use the one penny sanction instead. She gets a warning followed by a fine. Children and parents must be polite.

After three days there�s no change in Georgina�s behaviour.

Despite the lack of progress Warrick�s optimistic.

Day 6: Georgina�s behaviour has been so bad that having friends round is a rare occurrence.
Mum: �Bit by bit all other parents have chosen NOT to let their children mix with Georgina.�
Warrick (pysch) �Your daughter doesn�t feel loved. You can count on it.�

She can�t make friends. She�s not very pleasant to be with.

Today is the first day things are starting to work. Georgina throws up her gloves and I (mum) say �Georgina, I�m asking you very nicely will you please pick up your gloves. And she did, instantly.�
Mum yawns.
She says �So far, so good. I hope she doesn�t scare her friends away and then she�s the little lonely girl in the playground with no friends. As was I.�

Fred: (dad) �Dianne hasn�t got the maternal instincts that I would have expected a mother to have.
She�s not able to easily give cuddles. I mean she can show affection to an animal more so than to a human.
Mum �I get touched to see how she plays with her baby dolls, she tucks all her toys in bed.�
Someone asks mum �Don�t you normally kiss your daughter good night?� and she replies no.
�I don�t know, if I give into emotions and the flood gates are open I�d never be able to stop. I have 38 years of pent up emotions.�

Dad (not in a horrible tone just casually asking) �Why is it you can be affectionate towards an animal but not a child?�
Dianne (mum) �I don�t know. Yeah, I do know. Cause an animal can�t answer you back.�

Pauses to stroke the cat.
She kisses Georgina who is sleeping good night, she hasn�t done this since Georgina was a baby.

Dad (Fred) hugs mum and she sobs, hugging him back.

Then mum says �A child�s innocence is a lovely image and then you see the you know, �I�m gonna make your life hell.� You got the two extremes. She�s gonna grow up with no happy memories just us screaming and shouting the whole time.�

Dad: �We have the power to change that now, haven�t we.�
Mum: �I hope so.�

TWO WEEKS LATER

The child psychologist has encouraged Dianne to show more affection to Georgina. She has a tantrum (stamping her foot and saying no, I don�t want to etc) cause she doesn�t want to put on her pyjama pants on.
Dad: �I�m going to take a penny away.�
Georgina: �I�m going to put these on so you don�t have to ask me again.�
Mum: �Yes, say I will do it daddy.�
Georgina hisses at her.
Mum: �What was that for, Georgina?�
Georgina: �You�re getting on my NERVES!�



WEEK THREE

They get a bit complacent. Fred (Dad) is sloppy about the money. They let something bad go cause she did something else good and Fred says �I haven�t got change. Here�s a pound.� (That�s $2 USD, approx, remember she was only meant to get up to 30 pence a day which is about 60 pennies US)
The child psychologist, Warren is NOT happy!

Tells them they need to have the money available or it�s almost a crime (!) and it will fail.

TWO DAYS LATER
They are paying the price for it.
While making demands I want this please, I want that, she swings something clacking around and dad says nicely that she should give them to him.
Georgina pulls them away from him and whines �I had them FIRST.�
Shouts �PLEASE CAN I HAVE CRISPS� (UK word for potato chips.)

Mum: �Back to square One are we.�
Dad �Up to bed.�
Georgina pushes away.

Psych says tell her if you eat the crisps X is going to happen.
Dad �She was just asking for one thing after another.�
Georgina �Give me!�
Dad: �You�ve had your strawberry milk.�
Georgina �No, no!�
Dad �Goodnight.�
Georgina: �I want crisps! I want them. No!�
Mum and dad go out and Georgina gets out of bed and opens the door!
Dad �Get into bed please. I�ll tuck you in.�
Georgina �I want Simpsons please.�
Dad: �Bit late for Simpsons.�
Georgina: �NO!�
Dad kisses her goodnight.

WEEK FOUR, TWO DAYS BEFORE GEORGINA�S BIRTHDAY [So they�ve had not seven but nearly eight years of this!]

Dad: �We�ve sent some invitations. Several people have said they�re busy or it�s too far. I�m not sure if it�s cause I�m an older parent. The excuses seem strange.
Georgina seems to find it difficult to make friends, I�ve noticed she seems to have caught up on occasion with her school associates and they seem to walk faster to get away from her. Sad really.�

Georgina screams at her mum. Mum: �No television.� Georgina: �NO!�
Tonight Dianne is tired and has lost her temper. The pysch says children must always be given a warning BEFORE the punishment.
Mum keeps saying �I�ll take away a present. And Father Christmas doesn�t have to come here.�
Dad: �Leave her alone, come out, don�t keep winding her up.�
Georgina screams.
Mum: �Father Christmas.�
Warren (Psychologist) �Now you�ve started sanctioning ordinary child behaviour. [THIS is ordinary child behaviour?]

Fred and Dianne look back at Georgina aged four on video. Crying, playing up and mum ignoring her. Georgina puts her hand on her mum�s lap and mum still ignores her.

WEEK FIVE

Parents sing happy birthday to Georgina.
There is a cake, cards etc. She blows out her candle.
She has been very good and gets all 30 pennies. She says (Georgina) she was polite and good at school and asked mummy to do her milk kindly and that�s why. (True.)
Mum gives her a cuddle.

Dianne (mum) says if she or her brother was naughty they were spanked with a carpet stick [whatever that is!] and she lost her temper. I don�t want to go there. I�ve got to remember, there�s nothing wrong with my daughter.

Three months ago things were so bad with Georgina her parents wanted her taken into care.
Week 12 There is one battle ground left: Georgina hates having her hair brushed or combed and won�t do her own.

Week 13: Georgina: �I�ve got scruffy hair daddy.� Lets him brush it.
Mum �Pull your trousers up, Georgina.�
Georgina blows a raspberry.
Mum: �Do you want to lose a penny?�
Georgina turns on the TV with the remote and says �I�ve already lost a penny.�
Mum: �Right, do you want to lose another one?�
Will you please stand up and pull up your pants.
Georgina does so �Oh for GOD�S SAKE!�

Later on, dad plays a piano, mum and Georgina play and giggle.

Week 15. Georgina smiles with a snow man.
Week 16: How will you say it�s been going? Mum: �Slowly but on the up.�

Four months since the start her social life is improving and she has an appointment with the person who originally prescribed Ritalin. Dad says she has only two tantrums a month now! She brushes her own hair and the teacher says generally speaking there has been quite an improvement. Most nights she gets her money, some days she gets to keep it all, other days she loses some.
Georgina brushes her own hair �My mum will be proud of me.�

Psychologist says �It�s all down to your hard work. It�s leaps and bounds.�

Dad: �When do we start on the wife?�

After seven months
Mum: �It�s frightening to think seven months ago we had a child we detested and wanted Social Services to take her away. I look at her now and I want to make her happy and secure and have happy childhood memories. I wouldn�t give her away now.�

Two years later Georgina is doing well at home and going to start secondary school


I leave the child-rearing to people who feel called to it. I've never felt that call.
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I think a carpet stick is the thing you beat carpets with.

What a horrible story. What a horrible mother! And why did Dad just sit by and let this happen? I feel bad for the little girl.

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I think that is the kind of mother I am afraid to be and that is one of the reasons I choose not to have children..

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The grandma beat the mother.
The mother didn't beat the girl, she may have spanked her though.
But the mother was NOT into the child AT ALL no maternal instincts as you can clearly see.
And look how the girl was affected!
And the mum EXPECTED to feel maternal, she WANTED kids and thought it would be wonderful.
And it wasn't!


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That was frightening...


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Originally Posted By: Athena_Marina
And the mum EXPECTED to feel maternal, she WANTED kids and thought it would be wonderful.
And it wasn't!


Thats where the whole "when you have kids you will understand" comment goes out the window. Having kids doesn't make you a parent, it just makes you a mother/father. If you hate kids and don't want them, having one probably won't change that.


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Yikes. It's amazing that they were able to turn it around. Can you imagine what that house would have been like when the girl became a teenager if they had not made those changes to their behavior?


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