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I also thought...wouldn't adoption be the unselfish, mature decision...but even if they kept it hush-hush, can you imagine if the press got hold of it and found the family that got the baby? The poor child would never be left alone...bad situation all around.

There's a new movie coming out about a teen girl who is pregnant giving her baby up for adoption (I think it's called "Juno"). I sure hope it ends well, not with the girl changing her mind or anything like that. Maybe it could bring adoption into the minds of girls/women in similar situations. It seems like hardly anyone considers that anymore though. I knew a young woman who gave a baby up for adoption, and I thought it was the most unselfish thing I'd ever seen.

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I don't know about the rest of you but at 16 my parents couldn't prevent me from having "alone time with a guy" and believe me they tried. But my mom had good enough sense to tell me early on that if I was going to have sex to please ask her to take me to the doctor to get birth control. She told me she wouldn't ask any questions or pass judgement. She just wanted to make sure that no matter what, I wasn't going to get preggers at 16.

Turns out I took her up on that offer and she did exactly that. The only thing she said was "I don't know where you plan on doing it."

And I was by all measures "the perfect kid" I got excellent grades, I was in every extra-cirricular activity I could squeeze in, I also had a part time job, I never got into any trouble.

Point is, kids are going to have sex, I know it is hard to believe but it is true. Parenting is not always a bowl of roses and too often parents hide under "I taught her to wait until marriage", or "she is not allowed to be alone with a boy."

And sometimes they are right. But not all of us have the moral fortitude of Angela P. And if I were a mother of a 16 year old girl I would rather deal with the fact that she has sex than see her ruin her life for one dumb teenage moment. I may even go so far as to hide birth control in her food (it's a good thing I will never be a mother.)


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Originally Posted By: spices
...if I were a mother of a 16 year old girl I would rather deal with the fact that she has sex than see her ruin her life for one dumb teenage moment. I may even go so far as to hide birth control in her food (it's a good thing I will never be a mother.)


Wow, your Mom sounds like a sane human being! My Mom was so stupid in her Catholicism, and she was paranoid about having boys in our rooms, etc., which wasn't allowed. Even now that she has a 7 1/2 YO grandson that she's raising b/c my sister is an idiot, she STILL has issues with premarital sex, and unrealistic views about it. A few years ago when the same sister would stay at her BF's aptmt, she would freak out and try to control her behavior. I wish she would grow up and get real.

Your views are so much more sensible. Some people really would prefer a girl get pregnant than know they are having sex. They feel like she's getting punished for her behavior or something. It's ridiculous.

Just for the record, premarital sex and murder are in the same category in the Catholic Church. They are both considered mortal sins, and if you die with them on your soul, you will go to tell. Isn't that lovely?


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My Mom was so stupid in her Catholicism, and she was paranoid about having boys in our rooms, etc., which wasn't allowed. Even now that she has a 7 1/2 YO grandson that she's raising b/c my sister is an idiot,


Don't even get me started on religion. I think people tend to use religion as a crutch. I have no problem with people having faith in a religion but the tangible, here and now should always take priority.



This summer I mentioned to my mom how much I appreciated what she did for me and that I was so very thankful. My mom then told me that my aunt had found out and was very upset. My aunt believed my mom was just encouraging me to have sex and that she was a bad mother, etc. This aunt is now raising 3 girls from college to middle school age. She refuses to let her oldest go on bc because she not allowed to have sex. My cousin has had a steady boyfriend for 2 years and lives in the dorms about an hour from her parents. I just really hope she went behind her mother's back and got herself on bc.

My mom also told me that this same and was mad at my parents again because they "let" me move to another state. I was 25 when I moved. I feel so sorry for her daughters, I don't think my aunt is capable of letting go.



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I don't care how well you "Parent" some kids do things that you have warned them, taught them, showed them, etc. etc. I'm pretty surprised at all the finger pointing going on, especially toward the Mom. Just my opinion but it isn't always the Moms fault, she is 16, she met him at church. What about him ??? I don't see anyone saying (but of course I will) "what about the boys parents"? Where were they at and why didn't they teach their son better ? Of course being a parent I will say that "celebrities" are NOT ROLE MODELS FOR KIDS, they never have been and if your child wants to be like so and so, then it's a good time to have the "be like yourself" talk. I'm so not a perfect parent but I did get this part right, the no celebrity role model thing.


First of all, if you read the other posts you will see that we definitely understand that parents have limited influence at a certain age. It's one reason many of us don't want kids- because you can do your best and they can still turn out screwed up and hating you.

Second, I agree - the boy's parents are equally responsible for raising their son.

Third, celebrities ARE role models for kids, and they always HAVE been. They SHOULDN'T be in many cases, but it's true. So your statement that they're not role models is worded incorrectly.

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Yes we were pointing fingers, but I think it's a complicated issue. A parent is legally responsible for a minor, but it's anyone's guess how much control or influence they really have at a certain point. That is one reason parenting is frightening. I realize I may not be to "blame" for something bad that my child does, I could be an excellent parent, but there are still no guarantees my child will do the right thing. Whether or not I've tried my hardest and put out 110% effort and love, they could still commit a destructive act or get pregnant when they're 16, and I could be held legally and financially responsible by the court of law. That is scary.

I agree the boy's parents are responsible, but isn't he over 18? He will held financially responsible on his end, but her parents will be financially responsible on her end.

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Idk, both of these girls, Britany and Jami-Lynn, must be so overwhelmingly insecure that ANY attention, good or bad, is satisfying. Whether it's media or male attention, they seem to crave it and not shy or cower away from it no matter what the focus is.. and we know what some photographers focus has been latly. But these girls still reach out for it and absorb it like the attention alone is nourishment.

Whether they were neglected as children or not, by now, they are old enough to nurture themselves and learn to make productive instead of destructive decisions; especially now that the decisions they make affect someone whose existance relys on their decisions.... maybe one day they will both learn this, I just hope that it's not to the deteriment of their children.

And just as a post script - if the boy who is the father of Jami-Lynn's child is 18 or over, isn't that against the law? I'm not sure, California has changed so much, maybe the state abolished the child sexual assault laws... smile

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Nope, I stand firmly by my words. Celebrities are for entertainment and thats it, this is just my opinion. Of course I encourage my kids to be themselves, which they do on a regular basis smile

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I can only speak for myself. I do believe that kids are sexually active (I wasn't until 19 however) therefore I will be watching things closely, if it seems things are headed in that direction then my daughter will be taking birth control pills.

I plan on sitting down with the parents of any and every boy she becomes involved with and make sure they understand that if their son gets my daughter pregnant, I will NOT be giving permission for an abortion. Their son will be a parent and I will be EXTRACTING the full amount of child support allowed by law.

I also plan on getting her into some kind of situation so she can observe a normal birth, talk to other teen Mothers and so forth. Nothing like a little up close and personal to bring things to life.

You should have seen her face when she was 7 years old and saw a friend of mine change a poopy diaper the first time. I expect more moments just like that.

As far as finding fault with this woman, if this was her first problem then maybe its a little harsh but lets be frank here. Brittany is a train wreck (and I am being NICE) and this woman is writing a book on parenting? It should have been titled "What NOT to do."

I agree kids are going to do what they are going to do, however that doesn't mean that the parents shouldn't have honest and open discussions about condoms and birth control pills. Would you rather have your kid having unprotected sex and get pregnant or having your kid using protection but not pregnant. Those are the choices, thats what the abstinence only programs are showing us, a rise in teen pregnancy.

I for one am glad my daughter doesn't watch her show, she is not someone I would want my daughter looking up to and even if you don't want them to, they look up to the kids on TV. Thankfully she is into Miley Cyrus and at least for now, she SEEMS like a rather wholesome girl.

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We must also start educating the young men about the responsibilities of unprotected sex and unwanted pregnancy. There is a very cavalier attitude among men and boys about "getting it without a condom". I remember hearing a young man tell another young man (several years ago)that "you really didn't get it if you used a condom". This is a popular attitude among today's youth.

Please talk to the young men in your families and put an end to this stupidity. Do not wait until it is too late.

And in the state of Georgia (my home), a grown man can have sex with a 16 year old and not go to jail.

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