BellaOnline Forums Religion and Spirituality Spirituality Has anyone considered Having it All?

Wow what a warm welcome! Thank you Freebubbles! I'm glad the open of this topic was received greatly!

Joan: Great response! Personally I go to the Agape International Center -- The Reverend there was featured in the movie the Secret: his name is Michael Bernard Beckwith. It's an interdenomination spiritual center and is absolutely AMAZING! It's located in Culver City, CA. you can check it out at www.agapelive.com if you're curious. I agree about the financial stuff as well. What you mentioned is really what I've learned from all the Secret Teachers...That money is not evil! I used to be really skeptical of people who made a lot of money but now I understand a lot better.

Ooh! Side note...Considering this is the spirituality forum, perhaps some of you Meditate?

Check out Holosync. It is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. I use it everyday. It is a meditation program where you just pop in ear phones, and literally, it takes your brain wave frequencies through the Beta, Alpha, Theta, and Delta frequencies which are engaged in true, deep meditation. You'll have to read their page and order their free demonstration CD. The creator of the program was also in the movie the Secret (I've learned there is so much more to "the Secret" -- there's a lot of controversy over the movie because a lot of people got the idea that it's promoting "just think happy thoughts and life will be great" -- On one hand that was the one pitfall of the movie is that they didn't have enough emphasis on action...but if you get involved in the materials from any of the teachers of the secret, you'll learn that they ALL promote action...ESPECIALLY John Assaraf in the Having it All Book)

Anyhow, on to more replies!

Oh by the way Joan the reason your post made me think of Agape was because you mentioned that other churches teaches "Prosperity." So does Agape. Prosperity and Abundance.

Freebubbles: I don't think the point is truly to ever "Have it All." After all, there's always more right? If we are truly spiritual beings, which I believe, then our soul/spirit is always looking to unfold and grow and express itself through us as humans. Consider this, we are all lamp shades...The spirit within us is our light...Our mission in life is to let that light shine so brightly that it doesn't matter what type of lamp shade you have! it doesn't matter if it's a gorgeous tapestry, or just a plain lamp shade...because inside is the true spirituality and soul.

Anyhow, I believe the purpose is to definitely "Go after" having it all, with the understanding that it's not possible to 'have it all' in a materialistic sort of sense...But you can achieve your life's goals and dreams...but you just need to realize, once you do, there will be more dreams that are developed, and it will then be time to go after though. The sad thing though is that many people never go after the first of the big dreams they have, because they don't think it's possible for them.

Here's another thing to consider: There have been wise men of the past who would have there students "meditate" on an idea. One idea for example would be: "Imagine there's a goose in a bottle. How do you get that goose out of the bottle with out breaking it, cracking it, or tapping on it?"

The students would meditate...and would have no answer...

...The wise man said "imagine..." You see, there IS no bottle! you imagined it. So is the same in life: our perceptions...There are no hardships, there are no problems, there is no scarcity...it's all the imagined bottle...It's what we create...

All that I just said on that topic by the way flowed to me because of a talk Michael Beckwith gave at the Agape center! It was my FAVORITE talk of his I've heard and so I ordered the CD and was listening to it today! hah.

Stacy: I JUST now read your post, and you are so right. John's book Having it All: Achieving Your Life's Goals and Dreams is not simply about materialistic gains. You'll find in it he's got goal setting processes for the following: Financial Goals, Career/Business Goals, Relationship Goals: both family, friends and significant other, health goals, and spirituality goals. So definintely, I hope no one got the impression that his book was materialistic in nautre, because it absolutely isnt!

Alrighty...gotta go. So is anyone going to check out the Having it All Book?! I'd love to know what you think of it!

--Gean

I believe the purpose is to definitely "Go after" having it all, with the understanding that it's not possible to 'have it all' in a materialistic sort of sense...But you can achieve your life's goals and dreams...but you just need to realize, once you do, there will be more dreams that are developed, and it will then be time to go after though. The sad thing though is that many people never go after the first of the big dreams they have, because they don't think it's possible for them.

but if you keep going after your goals and dreams and you meet them and then there is more and more then you would never be saticifed with what you have because the grass is always greener on the other side. would it not me more purdent to want your material needs met and your mental and emotional and spiritual needs also met so you dont worry about things like bills food spouse and love health and anything in the have to have list so that you can grow more on a mental, emotional and spiritual level?
If the student that is pictureing the goose in the bottle is worried about bills food health and any other basic need that humans have how can the student think beyond the problems?

I agree on the point that life is what we chose to make it and that we have to deal with our self first then worry about everything else but... there is a very real element of the unknown veribles.... we do not ask to have sickness or a bus run over us or rape or to lose our jobs and be homeless. I think to discredit the unknow human varible of free will is to blame the person or ourself for things out of our hands. and that is not even touching the unknow varibles God Goddess or the Source throws into our life.

Would it not be better to concerter the student, imagineing the goose in the bottle, and his life on all levels as wellas the imagined problem?
If you imagine a problem it is easy to fix by not imagineing the problem but life as a human has very real problems. sure we could think positively and eat right and exercize and meditate all day long and that is good for us but it does not magicaly fix child abuse or globel warming or death. it doesnt change losing your job or living on the street and it does not fill an empty childs belly. and you can not imagine that away!!

I think you are trying to divorce the material world and the spiritual world. so I respectfuly ask what good is faith with out work? what good is the spiritual with out the material?

I hope i made sense! lol
free

I think it is possible to have goals and dreams, achieve them, and then discover new goals and dreams WITHOUT being perpetually dissatisfied with the present.

I try to be grateful in any given moment for all that I have. I know that if any of my goals and dreams don't come to pass, I'll still be happy because I am happy in each given moment and will continue to be so. Having dreams just makes like more fun. If one doesn't work out, I tell myself there must be a reason, and then move on. I don't spend lots of time being disappointed over anything.

Hi Gaen, welcome to the forum! I do meditate and it helps keep me calm and centered. I saw Michael Beckwith on the secret and was very impressed with what he had to say. I'll check out the book you mentioned. Your parable about the wise man reminds me of a Buddhist story.

Joan

I think we can be satisfied and still dream as well Joan. It is good to be happy with where you are at and to be thankful for your blessings.

I also meditate and I have been looking for the book but here is limited and I havent tried the internet though... I like to look and flip through the book before i by it but that is hard to do when you dont get books like that in your town so I have to learn to shop online....

Some sites, like Amazon, let you read excerpts. I also like to read the reviews on there to see what others thought of the book. Sometimes what they don't like, is something I would like or vice versa.

so Appling Chia POV to the Student...

The student living in this world would have no problem imagining the goose in the bottle because his mind would be at peace and he could take his time to sovole the problem. but if the student was not at this point...he would not have time to imagine because the matreial world is domenating his time.

thank you!

Great post Free! I love this..."but you just need to realize, once you do, there will be more dreams that are developed, and it will then be time to go after though. The sad thing though is that many people never go after the first of the big dreams they have, because they don't think it's possible for them..."

AND I also liked,
"I think you are trying to divorce the material world and the spiritual world. so I respectfuly ask what good is faith with out work? what good is the spiritual with out the material?"

Great stuff!

Joan: I'm glad you liked the post!! Do let me know what you think of the book. I would love to hear your thoughts...

Regarding Michael Beckwith...he's great huh? I love his stuff!

Free and Joan: It's great to hear you meditate. I'm curious, how much do you meditate each day? Do you do it everyday? And did you by any chance check out the Holosynclink I gave you? What'd you think?

I also just came across this cool site which send out a weekly free 'meditation technique.' -- I love it as up until now I hadn't been using meditation techniques along with my meditation. That site is www.meditation101.com (yes, I'm just full of resources! :-D )

Chia: I think you would thoroughly enjoy the book 'Conversations with God,' by Neale Donald Walsh (actually all of you would enjoy it!)

--Gean

Thanks Gean!
I love the links and have been thinking about getting the books
i am waiting till after christmas because i think my hubby got me books and i dont know what books!

Hey Free! Well I'm glad you're thinking about it! But just remember, you gotta take ACTION!!! haha.

In addition to the 7 Natural Laws of the Universe which John teaches, he also adds the law of GOYA. Which is, 'Get off Your....' --- hahahah. I love it!

--Gean