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One of my friends had her second child very quickly after the first. She said she wanted to "get it over with." Meaning, she wanted to get the baby phase over with, I guess.


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Originally Posted By: happytobechildfree
I will never understand why some people elevate having kids over education. In my circles, we are really into bettering ourselves. And I'm just not that impressed when someone merely has a child.


Here's a little thought. We are all a work in progress. It takes a lifetime of learning to fulfil our potential. So what's wrong with fulfilling one persons's full potential, rather than stopping partway through, producing a second person, and starting from scratch with a new 'work'?

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What a waste that will be if she (new mom) dies before everyone else, and on top of that leaves her child motherless!

Cindy

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Here's one on TMC I'd never heard before:

08.14.07 10:06a
I am having a baby because I dont think I could make it through my dog, parents or husband dying without it. My mom says it is harder on people withought kids to lose thier parents.

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To me that seems twisted. My SIL once told me I should have a kid since they last longer than dogs. Also, I guess once you have that enormous love of a child, all the other loves in your life are diminished, so you don't care when they cack.




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Originally Posted By: frieda7
Also, I guess once you have that enormous love of a child, all the other loves in your life are diminished, so you don't care when they cack.


Your SIL can tell that to all the dogs given up to shelters by people who've moved onto the supposedly "greater love" of a baby. Many are not adopted and are euthanized. Can you imagine the betrayal felt by these poor, trusting, noble beasts? They would have adjusted to the new baby in the house, given any patience whatsoever on the part of their owners, but their humans didn't even give them a chance.

It upsets me too much to hear about this - how sick! It infuriates me!

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Originally Posted By: FeebeeGeebee
Originally Posted By: happytobechildfree
I will never understand why some people elevate having kids over education. In my circles, we are really into bettering ourselves. And I'm just not that impressed when someone merely has a child.


Here's a little thought. We are all a work in progress. It takes a lifetime of learning to fulfil our potential. So what's wrong with fulfilling one persons's full potential, rather than stopping partway through, producing a second person, and starting from scratch with a new 'work'?


I have to step in here and respectfuly disagree. It's almost stereotyping, and I don't believe in doing that. I know some people with children who are way more enlightened and wise (AND happy) than some people who choose to continue with their career pursuits. There are a certain select few who do take away a great deal from the experience of parenting, if they consider it as it is; a life plan.

I find I can learn as much about my students as I can teach them. When I was younger and fell into clinical depression, it was working with children and recalling the simpleness and constant wonderment of childhood that brought me back. There ARE some who can make a career out of parenting, only when they take it seriously and do it right. Unfortunately, most don't :S.

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Originally Posted By: Griz
I have to step in here and respectfuly disagree. It's almost stereotyping, and I don't believe in doing that. I know some people with children who are way more enlightened and wise (AND happy) than some people who choose to continue with their career pursuits.


Yes, that is true, Griz. I just intended this to be a little alternative thought. I've had parents say to me either directly or indirectly (my friend on Sunday for example) that child free people who are furthering their own self-development are "indulgent" or "self-obsessed". I've had people use those words about people I know. I don't believe that is true, and that there is anything wrong with choosing to take your own self-development further, rather than focussing on your children's development. I think it is great that in this world, some people are focussing on developing their talents without the distraction of children. That's how we get the great writers, composers, scientists etc who have had a major impact on our world. But I take your point that parenting also develops things in you that you learn so much from. And that's great too.

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Right, and then there are all the people who tell you that you'll never know what love is until you have a child, or you'll never understand sacrifice, or pain, or blah blah blah.

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Heck, those are some of the reasons I DON'T want kids...I'm not a fan of pain or sacrifice! LOL! I get plenty of love from my dogs!

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Cindy....interesting point. I have always said that if you want to learn a great lesson in life look at your dog.

They live in moment. They love unconditionally. They don't hold grudges against you. They are always happy to see you. They appreciate everything you do for them and show you with that tail (if they have a tail). They don't worry about things. They are just happy to be with you. The list goes on and on.

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I think you can learn a lot from kids, I just wouldn't want to do it full-time. My nephew has some super creative ideas, and sky's the limit for them. They haven't been taught that things are impossible, but maybe that's a good thing. He repeated the old platitude "you can do anything you put your mind to" to me the other day. I asked him who told him that, and he said he hears it all the time on tv.


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