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cb78 #326234 07/02/07 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: cb78
holly,that sounds like a good book.Thanx for sharing!


cb78 and NAW... i'm going to keep posting little bits from the book as i go through it in this thread, so i hope you will join in and share your thoughts, too. You as well, MetaMaid, even if you don't agree. I find it helpful to me to discuss the ideas and get the opinions and hear the experiences of others... whether they agree or differ intelligently.

And if any of you would like to read along... don't forget your public library! There are many copies of this book in print, and they probably have a copy there or can get one from a branch library for you.

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Originally Posted By: NAW
I read the book and it changed me. So thanks for reminding me about the good stuff!



NAW, how did the book change you???? I'd be very interested in hearing about that. smile

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Holly, How is Tony as a speaker? To meet him is my life's one desire.

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Holly, I believe that once we have passion, we can develop all the other qualities. Without passion nothing will work. Your comments.


Yes, passion i think is essential to most great endeavors.

However, i don't think of passion as being universally good. I think it depends on how it is directed and applied. Passion is like a strong and energetic horse... the better the horse, the better you should be sure of your riding skills, so you can direct it properly and safely.

On the bad side, passions can represent an utter lack of self-control... of anger and violence, lust, addictions, and a lack of consistency of effort.

My family was very passionate and valued passion. My father had/has passion for art and intellect, and encouraged his children to pursue their interests with passion and without regard for conformity or making a living. hahah laugh My mother's passions were for art, music, and sentimentality. But they each had a darker side of passion, too, which hopefully i have avoided. I think we tend to pick up passion from our childhood modeling.

I also think we pick up passion from living through dramatic events. Many people here on this forum have lived through dramatic events. It forges people to care strongly about many things. I have a theory about this... i think when we live through such events we absorb energy... and that energy does not just fade away. Either we consciously redirect it to accomplish some good... or it will work against us in the form of depression, addiction, anger, or some other negative way.

I think this is where traits no.s 3 and 4 come into play... strategy and values. Strategy helps you to direct passion to lead you to places you wish to go, and not where you would not wish to go. Values, of course, helps you do it hopefully without harming yourself or others.

I'm not sure though why traits no. 1 (passion) and 5 (energy) are listed seperately, or why traits no. 6 (bonding) and 7 (communication) are considered so different?


What you say about passion is correct to a certain extent.
Let us say, have passion for something worthwhile. Not something bad. Values help us decide about what is wrong and what is right. Comment.

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I am passionate about few things in life.
They drive me against all the odds.
That passion gives me energy to fight and continue.
Though I maintain very bad health, unless I am totally helpless, i continue work.
Who else has experienced positive passion?
Holly?

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Originally Posted By: cdmohatta

What you say about passion is correct to a certain extent.
Let us say, have passion for something worthwhile. Not something bad. Values help us decide about what is wrong and what is right. Comment.


I'm not sure just values will help us completely. I think recognizing an effective strategy also helps. Not everyone's values are the same, and i have seen for instance, people destroy themselves through an addiction or in some other way. Their values tell them they are harming no one else, and they lack valuing themselves enough. I don't know ...maybe this is splitting hairs as to what counts as a value or not... but sometimes it seems desire and strategy can turn a person into the right direction when values can not.

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Originally Posted By: cdmohatta
I am passionate about few things in life.
They drive me against all the odds.
That passion gives me energy to fight and continue.
Though I maintain very bad health, unless I am totally helpless, i continue work.
Who else has experienced positive passion?
Holly?


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Yes. I have a stubborn nature. That is sometimes bad, but sometimes good.

Passion can often lead to our success when "reason" told us it would have been wise to give up. History is a story told largely of people who did what was once thought impossible... but they had passion... passion for a cure for small pox, passion to land on the moon, passion for themselves and their countrymen to be free from oppression, passion to break the four minute mile... there are so many things we have accomplished that were previously thought impossible, until someone with great passion achieved it.

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Here is another interesting excerpt from Unlimited Power, also from Chapter 1:

Bunker Hunt, the Texas oil billionaire, was asked once if he had any piece of advice he could give people on how to succeed. He said that success is simple. First, you decide what you want specifically; and second, you decide you're willing to pay the price to make it happen---and then pay that price. If you don't take that second step, you'll never have what you want in the long term. I like to call the people who know what they want and are willing to pay the price to get it "the few who do" versus "the many who talk." I challenge you to play with this material, to read it all, to share what you learn, and to enjoy it.

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What if we have right values?
I do not know how you bring in strategy to be passionate about good things?
Strategy helps us achieve what we want.
How does it help us decide what we want?

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i'm not sure i even know what i was saying. I guess i think of values as being what we feel is right or wrong, but almost always in relation to other people, and not necessarily what is right or wrong for us. Strategy is what we use to try to achieve what we personally want. So a better strategy may help us do what is better for us. ???

You see, i'm not sure if what is needed is strategy, or if our sense of right values must also be understood to include our own welfare and happiness... but i think it should be in there somewhere. Usually when people use the term values in a context like this, they are refering to social principles. But social principles is only about how you treat others, not how you treat yourself. By "right values" were you meaning social principles?

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