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I missed the part about getting the sperm checked but I stand by the rest of my post. And you are most definately not my friend.
This whole post reminds me of when I was a small child and heard my older female relatives talk. This was a long time ago but you sound just like them. Everything is the woman's fault. Why the little slut is trapping some poor man with sex.
You must live in a different world than I do. Men do not get trapped; they run like hell when they know the kid is theirs.
Just because the woman in the story is stupid the guy is way worse.
Having sex with her one last time because she is a good lay? Then others posting how there are no accidents only women "trapping poor men" Give me a break.
Someone posted about this site being anti mom but this whole thread seems anti women.
I thought this was a nice friendly community but the hardcore childfree sites are much more realistic on how easy it is to get pregnant even on birth control. So I guess the women I consoled while they were crying their eyes out after becomming pregnant while using an IUD or faithfully taking the pill everyday were lying and wanted to get pregnant.

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Sand...I find it interesting that a mom posted somewhere that we (the childfree) are anti-mom. That statement is the very reason why we find it such a blessing to have this board. And that statement is a load of garbage. We only find it necessary to stand up for ourselves when those moms come over here and create waves. We don't understand why they find the need to come over here in the first place. They usually just end up sticking their foot in their mouths. I don't go over to the mom board and heckle them, and I don't think they would like it if I did. Their board is for mom stuff and our board is for our stuff.

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Originally Posted By: sand87
I missed the part about getting the sperm checked but I stand by the rest of my post. And you are most definately not my friend.
This whole post reminds me of when I was a small child and heard my older female relatives talk. This was a long time ago but you sound just like them. Everything is the woman's fault. Why the little slut is trapping some poor man with sex.
You must live in a different world than I do. Men do not get trapped; they run like hell when they know the kid is theirs.
Just because the woman in the story is stupid the guy is way worse.
Having sex with her one last time because she is a good lay? Then others posting how there are no accidents only women "trapping poor men" Give me a break.
Someone posted about this site being anti mom but this whole thread seems anti women.
I thought this was a nice friendly community but the hardcore childfree sites are much more realistic on how easy it is to get pregnant even on birth control. So I guess the women I consoled while they were crying their eyes out after becomming pregnant while using an IUD or faithfully taking the pill everyday were lying and wanted to get pregnant.


Sand - I'm just wondering why you are so passionate about this subject. You are acting very defensive, especially when posters corrected you because your information about the article was incorrect. I don't think anyone is saying that it's not the man's fault, and I don't think anyone is saying that all women are "accidentally" getting pregnant to trap men.

Alexandra said, "In my experience unfortunately, nowadays, neither sex has the monopoly on being selfish, and out for what they can get. Girls is just as bad as boys."

nosy wrote, "They both seem a bit off. "

iwonder said, "And I almost believe his actions were justified, he did nothing more than she did. But when it comes to bc, both parties are equally responsible."

Pikasam said, "I just don't believe that anyone ends up "accidentally pregnant". There's no such thing. You were stupid, careless or both." She's absolutely correct. If someone gets pregnant and is on BC, then she is probably not taking the pill correctly. We use condoms just in case because sometimes I forget and take the pill in the evening instead of the morning. Even if you miss and take 2 the next day, you're okay, but the package clearly reads USE A CONDOM just in case.

Everyone else was writing about personal experiences, not saying EVERY woman is out to do this, or EVERY woman who gets pregnant does it to trap a man.

However, there ARE women out there who have tried this tactic. My friend who has been "accidentally" pregnant twice DID it to get her guy to commit, and he had none of it. He insisted on the abortion (and even though I think he didn't have the right to insist that, it was the right thing to do.) BTW - she learned that tactic from her mother, who did "trap" her father. (They got divorced after the second child.) Yes, my friend is nuts (she swears by "The Rules," in case anyone has heard of it.)

You're taking something and turning it into a blanket statement, but you are posting in the same way. When you write "Men do not get trapped; they run like hell when they know the kid is theirs," you are implying that ALL men run, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you mean. There were several posts in this thread demonstrating that the men did NOT run from a pregnancy. Just as all women who accidentally get pregnant don't do it to try to trap their boyfriend.

I wouldn't say that this thread is anti-women. It's anti-morons.

The whole point was that BOTH people involved in the Craig's List post are losers. I wouldn't say one was worse than the other, they both are pretty much complete wastes.

You mentioned that "the hardcore childfree sites are much more realistic on how easy it is to get pregnant even on birth control." Yes, it is, if you read what Pikasam said. You are either stupid or careless.


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Hey Sand ... maybe "stupid" is too strong a word ... "poorly informed" might be better ... but I stand by careless. I'm on the POP, and I know that taking it more than 2 hours outside the time window every day is asking for trouble. I know that if I take antibiotics or have diarrhoea or vomiting, it might not work properly. I know that if I travel to another country I have to keep a clock on local time so I don't miss the window. How do I know all this? For starters, I read the instructions ... and if there is any doubt, I use an alternative. So I'm not poorly informed or careless - and I've never been pregnant either.

Think about it - you can really only conceive for a week a month anyway. and the residual hormones in your system take time to clear ... if you're that diligent about your BC, statistically, the chances have to be next to impossible.

You might beg to differ and that's your right, but for everyone I have ever known to be "accidentally pregnant" when I dug deeper, what did I find? Without exception - careless.

And as for women who "oops" their other halves, I have NO sympathy. To be honest, why would anybody (guy or girl)stay in a relationship that is based on coercion and deceit? You know that's not going to have any sort of happy ending. The guy in the story might have been a smug tosser, but at least he knew what he DIDN'T want, and covered his bases.

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They are both losers/air wasters IMHO, and I completely agree Pikasam that basing a relationship on that kind of deceit is really misguided. It comes down to integrity to me. To me it's sad when someone without integrity is raising children.

Sand, I find it strange that someone would show up here for the first time so hot and bothered about defending such a manipulative woman from us evil cretins who might criticize her actions. Perhaps you have some issues about this kind of thing. The man is a jerk too, but at least he's trying to be responsible and not create unwanted children (like she is). I don't think criticizing her actions makes me a woman-hater. I have a better self-esteem than that!! Not wanting to be a mother does not make me anti-mother, in the same way that not wanting to be a coal miner does not make me anti-coal miner.

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I showed these posts to several co-workers. Each has known women who became pregnant while using birth control just as I have. Your insisting that only stupid careless women get pregnant made them angry as well. These are not "oops" pregnancies I was talking about
The also were appalled by some of your posts. The talk of if a woman "spreads her legs" she deserves what she gets? So a baby is her punishment alone. How very right wing of you.
I am done with this site and will be leaving.

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Sorry, everyone. I didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest...


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Hell no. This is my entertainment for the day ... I'm not retracting anything I said. If other people want to take their bat and ball and go home, it don't bother me! The joy of free speech - if you don't like it and don't agree, don't read it. And thanks for the post, it's been thought provoking.

Sand says ... " Each has known women who became pregnant while using birth control just as I have. Your insisting that only stupid careless women get pregnant made them angry as well. .." and again I make the point - dig deeper. I know so many of my girlfriends who are so "whatever" about taking the pill, but would be horrified to find out they were pregnant - even if they do only remember to take it every three days! "But I can't be pregnant! I'm on the pill!"







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Sand....You reap what you sow in this life. If a women willingly sleeps with a man and that man is a loser and she gets pregnant...hmmmmmm.....well....didn't she make the decision to sleep with him? If she did, then I would have to say that her getting pregnant is half her fault. If you want to call it punishment, well go ahead and call it that.

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Pikasam...I totally agree with the "dig deeper" approach. My 16 year old cousin forgot to take her BC pill for 2 days, she now has a 3 year old. I am sure that there are those out there that would call it an accident because after all she was on the pill.

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