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Hogwash!!!

Yep out of balance and so full of [censored]!!!

they have taken the concept to extrems and twisted it beyond any reason!!!!

I dont think you can attract a child molester or back problems!!!

I have NEVER heard such [censored]!!!!

and like all [censored] just flush and feel relief and hope the smell does not linger!!!

Thanks Bubbles. You are a breath of fresh air!

Hugs,

Patience.

After reading Alexandra's web links, I just wanted to mention to all, (incase you are wondering!) that my spinal disease is in no way related to the conditions shown in that article. It is quite different, and is a disease of the actual 'bones', and not the discs. It is not due to age, because it was first diagnosed, and showed up in scans when I was in my early 30's. There are bony growths affecting a third of the spinal column. Many of these, in neck and lower back, encroach on the spinal cord. It is inoperable due to the fact that surgery would come with a high risk of resulting quad/paraplegia. It is my 'positive thoughts' which have kept me mobile for so long, but all the positive thinking in the world isn't going to make the condition go away, and neither do the positive thoughts ease the pain I often endure.

This is one of the reasons why some 'natural healers' (that I sought help from in sheer desperation), told me that I had created it myself by my 'thoughts'. I was given 'treatments' and exercises which actually aggravated my disease. Now, I wouldn't touch an alternative healer with a 40 foot pole!

Regarding cancer, I developed a form of blood 'cancer' in 2002 which was not to do with a 'weakening of the Immune System', but actually the opposite. My immune system set about killing off all my red blood cells because it saw them as 'enemies' to be destroyed. The anti bodies would actually 'attach' to the red cells and blast them out of existance. So my treatment was actually to DISABLE the immune system until the red cells were able to recover in stable numbers, and remain stable.. It took three years for things to return to normal, and there was NO CAUSE found. Because the cause is unknown, there is no way of telling whether or not it will return, or what triggered it in the first place. Here again, some of these believers who insist that we 'create our own reality' tried to tell me that I had 'created' the disease. Hardly likely, because at that time it appeared, it was probably the one happiest time of my life, so I'd hardly be wanting to make a painful exit!

This is just to put you into the picture from the 'health' angle, so you will understand what it was I was being told I had brought upon myself, and had the power to heal - by changing my thoughts!

Thoughts weren't what saved my life in 2002-2005. It was good hospital treatment and some VERY powerful drugs!(and blood transfusion) So I get right stropping angry now when some well-meaning New Age pioneer looks at me condescendinly and says "Did you REALLY give meditation, or visualisation a fair go?"

Struth alive! Do they think I had any time or ability to do that while I fought for my life in a hospital bed, wired up to tubes and machines for two weeks! These people are not even on the planet!

Patience.

I read her postings and was amazed, some of the things she said were so clearly and demonstrably false that they don't seem to be mistakes, but rather deliberate lies. But then again, I'm predisposed to think poorly of her after some of her earlier, patently bigoted posts.

It has been found that those who fight to survive have better chances of recovery. But that is yet not an established fact.

I am sure that is true, but it is a far cry from everything that happens to us we bring upon ourselves.

Ok, I shall, as you are...
Buddhism does not recognise a soul. So there is no supernatural or mystical concept, as I described.
And Buddhists tend to speak of re-birth, rather than reincarnation. there is a distinction.


No they don't. Your mind is in contol of everything that happens within your body. I'm talking about the biological, nerve-impulse mind, though. Everything that happens to your body is as a result of mental, brain-controlled impulses. Given that we also think with this organ, and have a logical, mental mind as well, it's not impossible that the Mind can have a definite control over what happens to our bodies, is it?

Yes it is true. I didn't say this, by the way; These are the Buddha's words, but they have to be examined and understood in context.

Abusers think in a deluded, damaging, destructive way. That's how they operate.
They inflict pain and suffering upon their victims, and exert control.
Their victims suffer greatly as a result of this, in many different ways, and some of the suffering is mental, some physical, and sometimes a combination of the two.
The choice of perpetuating this mental pain is by and large, a personal, unconscious one.
we continue to apportion responsibility and blame for the way we continue to feel, on others.
But by changing our mind-set, and altering our point of view from Victim to survivor, we create a new world for ourselves in which we can taste and experiencce freedom, rather than to continue suffering and be shackled by past experience.
The only perosn who has any direct, immediate and transformative control over your mind - is you.
"Only you can free yourself from the slavery of your Mind." Bob Marley.
"I think. Therefore, I am".

It's been said by many, not just me.
I only say things I have found to be true for me. Through my own examination, testing and assessment of the situation I find myself in.
I am merely providing the explanation.
Whether you accept or reject the above, is up to you.

As ever, and with everything,
It's your choice.


Thank you for reading.

"It has been found that those who fight to survive have better chances of recovery. But that is yet not an established fact."

Yes Das, that is so true. So many survivors of child sexual abuse were unble to continue the fight and have sadly left us.

There have been many times when I too felt like giving up - just 'disappearing' - but then I'd get ANGRY - and the anger saved me and made me 'hang in there'. I'd have been lost years ago were it not for that 'angry' part of me that fought tooth and nail for survival.

There used to be an old Christian hymn called 'Fight the Good Fight with all your might' - and during the years that I was a Christian, I made that my 'battle hymn'!

When I was so ill, I fought to stay alive because I had someone who loved me, and I had three darling dogs who needed me. Had it not been for them I think I would have let go, and died.

It is so important to have something to live for, and to fight for.

Patience.

My personal experience has been that when I do good, good tends to come back to me (although often in ways I don't expect), if I do bad, well, I try not to, but I'm my own worst enemy, and my conscience would get me then!

Healing -- well, fact is, disease exists. Bones break. Nothing mystical about that.

However, placebos often do work -- and I think that it is harnessing the minds ability to improve healing, our bodies' functioning, etc.

Other mind powers, well, I believe from experience that there is more than science currently understands. The mind is a vast, uncharted territory, really. And currently, any scientist who studies any labeled-psychic abilities is automatically labeled a quack, and most self-respecting scientists choose to avoid that, thus going into other fields. Add to that the fact that there are a lot of charlatans out there...

However, my family history has precognitive episodes too frequent to be dismissed as mere coincidence. (I don't have this ability -- may be a good thing, as it used to make my grandmother a nervous wreck.) Ironically, I'm more skeptical of people who CLAIM the ability than most, particularly if they are making money off it, because the experiences I'm familiar with were not controlled. My grandmother had Dreams (as opposed to dreams -- I could always hear the capital in her voice when she talked about a significant dream, as opposed to the dreams we all get), couldn't decide to have one, or not to, and she was very definitely a Christian, who had a hard time dealing with this, since it was contrary to her religious beliefs. It was usually bad stuff (not always, but usually), and she was a bundle of nerves until whatever it was happened (or the news reached her -- if it was about someone far away, it might take time for a letter to come).

My grandfather also had abilities, though I didn't see that (he died when I was young, and unlike my grandmother, didn't live with us) -- apparently he used to read tea leaves, until he foresaw his mother's death. Wouldn't read them again after that. (My mother remembers seeing things like a duck, or a horse or such, until he pointed out what he saw. I suspect that the tea leaves were a way for him to focus that ability.)

My mother has had some precognitive events, but far fewer -- and given how horrible they made her feel, she is glad she rarely gets them.