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So, you basically disregarded the question entirely. Are you claiming that Buddhists (and your school of Buddhism in
particular) have a monopoly on the term karma? That the Hindu definition of karma (which predates the buddhist by quite a bit, btw) isn't relevant to the original question asked?
No, I'm sorry, I didn't explain myself adequately, did I?  Of course I�m not assuming monopoly on the concept of karma, but as a Buddhist, I can only respond from a Buddhist standpoint, and would not presume to speak on behalf of others. I�m merely answering from my knowledge. No they don't. Your mind is in contol of everything that happens within your body. I'm talking about the biological, nerve-impulse mind, though. Everything that happens to your body is as a result of mental, brain-controlled impulses. Given that we also think with this organ, and have a logical, mental mind as well, it's not impossible that the Mind can have a definite control over what happens to our bodies, is it? This is simply false. Even excluding the innumerable organisms which grow and reproduce without the aid of brain (or even nervous tissue) and even excluding the human organs which function without nerve endings, it is possible to grow human skin, kidneys, corneas and livers in vitro without any connection to a person (or a brain) at all. I'm sorry. I do see your point, but i was referring specifically to aspects of the body already within the body... I didn't reaslise we were going to move into the realms of external manufacture, as i was trying to stick to the specific topic matter. I'm going to personally call a halt to our interaction here, because I don't want to deviate too far away from what Patience intends in her discussion. But thank you for talking to me.
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If the victom feels he or she has chosen this life, good or bad, wouldnt that give the "victom" a sense of control and power over his or her life?
Most victoms feel powerless to control what has happened to them so by letting them say "I chose this life for the greater good and I may struggle with it at times. But i have learned from it and become better for it."
Bubbles, this could certainly apply in some situations, but it would depend greatly on what had happened to the 'victim'. Thanks for this thought though. It isn't without merit! Patience,
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams
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I think for someone who holds to this believe and is happy and feels impowered by it; its ok for them because it works but for someone to use it to blame the victom it is wrong!!! and in cases of someone trying to get out of punishment by blameing his her victom it is wrong too!!!
Thank you for your replys!!!
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Why do some many kids get cancer?
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"It has been found that those who fight to survive have better chances of recovery. But that is yet not an established fact."
Yes Das, that is so true. So many survivors of child sexual abuse were unble to continue the fight and have sadly left us.
There have been many times when I too felt like giving up - just 'disappearing' - but then I'd get ANGRY - and the anger saved me and made me 'hang in there'. I'd have been lost years ago were it not for that 'angry' part of me that fought tooth and nail for survival.
There used to be an old Christian hymn called 'Fight the Good Fight with all your might' - and during the years that I was a Christian, I made that my 'battle hymn'!
When I was so ill, I fought to stay alive because I had someone who loved me, and I had three darling dogs who needed me. Had it not been for them I think I would have let go, and died.
It is so important to have something to live for, and to fight for.
Patience.
Yes, it is important that we have someone to fight for. We need someone to live for. Someone said- man is not an island. I agree with that.
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I have read most of the posts in this thread. It seems that people are suggesting that we invite abusers with our mind. Sorry. I disagree.
I never invited my abuser with my thoughts. I was a happy person living in my own world and this abuser made my life hell.
This discussion is good for debates, but makes no practical sense to me. No other person who was abused will agree to this. Patience, did you invite your abusers with thoughts? What about others who were abused? what do they say?
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How about terror attacks? Do the victims invite the terrorists with their thoughts?
Somebody has also talked about mind controlling the body. Mind does not control involuntary functions of the body. We do not digest the food after ordering our stomach. that happens itself. Same with liver, kidney and heart functions.
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> What I mean by science not currently understood -- well, it is science that the earth rotates, revolves around the sun, that the sun moves in it's orbit around the galaxy, that the galaxy goes around it's supercluster -- but humans didn't have the understanding of that for a long time, and believed that the idea that we are moving (even while standing still) around the sun seemed absurd. Just look in the sky and observe. In the morning, it is in the east. Later, it is high in the sky. Later still, in the west. Obviously, the sun is moving around the earth!
But, of course, we know that is not so -- we have better understanding of the science of how the sun appears to move.
I think you were using science as a verb (as in doing good science), while I was using it as a noun -- collected body of knowledge/understanding. I am using science correctly. The Earth going around the sun is not Science. Science was used to discover that fact. It is actually gravity which itself is not science. Gravity was discovered using science. I was not using science as a verb because a verb describes a noun and i was not using it as a noun because this is not a grammar issue. Science could be a noun or a verb depending on the sentence structure.
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I have read most of the posts in this thread. It seems that people are suggesting that we invite abusers with our mind. Sorry. I disagree. das, I don't think most of us are saying that. I think most in this atheist forum are quite rational. There appear to be a few who have dragged their outlandish beliefs into realms that are not just religious.
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sci�ence /ˈsaɪəns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sahy-uhns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
�noun 1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.
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[Origin: 1300�50; ME < MF < L scientia knowledge, equiv. to scient- (s. of sci�ns), prp. of scīre to know + -ia -ia]
�Synonyms 7. art, technique, method, discipline.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, � Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source sci�ence (sī'əns) Pronunciation Key
n.
The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science.
An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.
Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
Science Christian Science.
[Middle English, knowledge, learning, from Old French, from Latin scientia, from sciēns, scient-, present participle of scīre, to know; see skei- in Indo-European roots.]
(Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage� Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Online Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source
science
c.1300, "knowledge (of something) acquired by study," also "a particular branch of knowledge," from O.Fr. science, from L. scientia "knowledge," from sciens (gen. scientis), prp. of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide," from PIE base *skei- (cf. Gk. skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Goth. skaidan, O.E. sceadan "to divide, separate;" see shed (v.)). Modern sense of "non-arts studies" is attested from 1678. The distinction is commonly understood as between theoretical truth (Gk. episteme) and methods for effecting practical results (tekhne), but science sometimes is used for practical applications and art for applications of skill. Main modern (restricted) sense of "body of regular or methodical observations or propositions ... concerning any subject or speculation" is attested from 1725; in 17c.-18c. this concept commonly was called philosophy. To blind (someone) with science "confuse by the use of big words or complex explanations" is attested from 1937, originally noted as a phrase from Australia and New Zealand.
Online Etymology Dictionary, � 2001 Douglas Harper
WordNet - Cite This Source science
noun
1. a particular branch of scientific knowledge; "the science of genetics"
2. ability to produce solutions in some problem domain; "the skill of a well-trained boxer"; "the sweet science of pugilism" [syn: skill]
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