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Bubbles, it depends on the Jew. It also depends on the christian. I don't have high opinion of many christians (example: Jerry Falwell, may G-d have mercy on his cold black soul), but others I get along with quite well. I have come in contact with many a different type of christian in my religion studies.
I don't have a problem with them as long as they respect me and our possible differences of opinion and faith.
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Koala
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COOL!! I have to say I have never come across a christian that has anything against Jews or of any that try to convert them! I always thought there was a agree to disagree law somewhere....
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Elephant
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Oh, I get the you need to convert thing all the time, or why my people killed jesus, or why isn't jesus the messiah, or how I am essentially a christian except for the jesus thing.
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Koala
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mm so if you are essentianlly a Christian does that mean I am essentially a Jew except for the Kosher diet and Jesus thing? lol
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Elephant
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LOL you said it not I ;0)
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mmm Im ok with that if you are?! lol
It is amazing how much stock people put in a label!! it you go to a christian church your a christian weither your christ like or not! then we have a need to have more labels Nazarine, Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, and on and on!!!
if you get in to the theological realm is Monothisis Pantheisis, Polytheisis and on and on...
then if you add Planet, country, state, town, zodiac sigh, school went to-or go to, sexual origintation, likes dislikes, married stats, age, sex, race, eithic, and culture....
and then you have the lables other stamp on you weither you like it or not!!
Gee Im glad I dont have to where a name tag for all of them!!! can you image? I would look like a box stamped from all over the world and them some!!
but dont we all wear labels?
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Jase, The Jewish faith teaches that homosexuality is an abomination. Do you agree? And do not judge Jerry Falwell's soul. You have neither the authority nor the power to do so. That's God's job.
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Elephant
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JC - The jewish faith teaches many things being an abomination. The Reform movement has accepted homosexuals into the fold without judgement for the longest time. In 2000 they (the rabbinical council) also voted to bless and preside over same-sex unions.
As for Jerry Falwell, I have not judged his soul, I asked G-d to have mercy on him. He was a man filled with a lot of hate. He expressed a very cold hearted soul (person). The final judge is G-d... not I
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Sexual relations between men are clearly forbidden by the Torah. (Lev. 18:22). Such acts are condemned in the strongest possible terms, as abhorrent. The only other sexual sin that is described in such strong terms is the sin of remarrying a woman you had divorced after she had been married to another man. (See Deut. 24:4). The sin of sexual relations between men is punishable by death (Lev. 20:13), as are the sins of adultery and incest.
It is important to note, however, that it is homosexual acts that are forbidden, not homosexual orientation. Judaism focuses on a person's actions rather than a person's desires. A man's desire to have sex with another man is not a sin, so long as he does not act upon that desire. In fact, it could be said that a man who feels such desires but does not act upon them is worthy of more merit in that regard than a man who does not feel such desires at all, just as one who refrains from pork because it is forbidden deserves more merit than one who refrains from pork because he doesn't like the taste.
I have seen some modern Orthodox sources suggest that if homosexuality is truly something hardwired in the brain, as most gay activists suggest, then a man who acts upon that desire is not morally responsible for his actions, but I am not sure how wide-spread that opinion is. In any case, it is not quite as liberal a position as some would have you believe: essentially, it is equivalent to saying that a kleptomaniac would not be held morally responsible for stealing.
Interestingly, female homosexual relations are not forbidden by the Torah. There is very little discussion of female homosexuality in the Talmud. The few sources that mention lesbian relations say that they do not disqualify a woman from certain privileges of the priesthood, because it is "merely licentiousness." There is a surprising lack of discussion of such issues as whether lesbianism would be grounds for divorcing a woman without her consent or without ketubah. Rambam asserted that lesbian practices are forbidden because it was a "practice of Egypt" and because it constituted rebelliousness.
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Elephant
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It is also interesting to note the teachings on masturbation.
Jewish law clearly prohibits male masturbation. This law is derived from the story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced coitus interruptus as a means of birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased brother. G-d killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly masturbation, Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by this passage, and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of the seed), that is, ejaculation outside of the [censored]. In fact, the prohibition is so strict that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the case of a man, the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped off." (Niddah 13a)
The issue is somewhat less clear for women. Obviously, spilling the seed is not going to happen in female masturbation, and there is no explicit Torah prohibition against female masturbation. Nevertheless, Judaism generally frowns upon female masturbation as "impure thoughts."
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