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Hi Skeptic,
I though I was the skeptic! Since texasdave is not answering, let me chime in.

None of the above (the ones you added) would ever make it to the ticket, but you already know that.

"Hmmm... don't see Christian on the list there."
The reason Christian is not on the list is because he's already been elected every time for 200 years. No reason to poll again.

Chillin you said


And maybe is that why this country is in such a good condition right now? Is that why we have so much more freedom campared to let's say the non-Christian countries such as the middle east countries or Russia or China. I mean I am glad this country is not lead by atheist because otherwise we theist might have the same destiny as did the millions of Chinese and Russians because some of out non-religious friends such as Joseph Stalin who was so Anti-religious and intolerent that they killed millions of their own people for having a religion. I thank God everyday for this. Or even a Muslim, I mean just look at Middle East. I hope this country never become like that.

Very well said GLY.

Yikes. Very extreme thinking. I'm agnostic and would like to see more non-theist government in the US. I don't want to kill off everyone who has a religion. I just want religion out of government. I want people to be free to practice the religion of their choice (or not) in their personal lives. I want our government to concentrate on business and infrastructure, not gay marriage, abortion, and other personal issues.

I agree with you...to a point, Nosy. The government should concentrate on where my Social Security is going to be when I retire than focusing on gay marriage and the like. To gay marriage, they should just say no and be done with it.

As far as abortion, I am a right to lifer but am also a firm believer it is between the woman and God. The government should not outlaw it because then only outlaws will be performing it.

However, I do believe there should be some sort of Christian government to prevent a dictatorship or to be off on some wild tangent.

A non theist government may focus on gay marriage, abortion and other personal issues as well, you know, so I guess we will just have to settle for the lesser of two evils, huh?

Oh my you amaze me ... On gay marriage, the government shouldn't be involved - each individual can say no to it if they wish.

On abortion - I'm impressed by your position.

On government - Yikes! Why do you think a non-theist government would become a dictatorship? It can still be democratic, just not governing according to some's religion. You think non-theists are more evil than Christians?

Of course I do I think non theists are more evil than Christians.

Yeah, I didn't really want to use the word dictatorship, but, another word or term I was searching for has escaped me.

You are right though. Let the gays get married and then God can deal with them later on.

I also believe that Christianity should be allowed in the public schools, for those who wish to participate in it without being told they cannot. I believe bibles should be handed out instead of condoms and I don't believe that evolution should be taught without creationism either.

You teach evolution without creationism, then children are missing out on choosing which they should believe in. The good, Creationism, should be taught with the bad, evolutionism.

With good Christian moral leadership, these things can happen. This country thrives on the freedom to worship or not but only to a point and only where the government tells them they can, for the most part.

You know something, it just occured to me that last year during the Christmas season, my children were taught about how the Muslims celebrate it and they were taught about Kwaanza, but not about the birth of Christ or what the reason for the season is.

They were not even allowed to have red and green plates for Christmas parties. Of course, red and green have nothing to do with Christianity, but they are colors associated with the seaon as we celebrate it.

They want to be fair then let's be fair. Teach the children evrything about those celebrations, not just a select few.

Nice thought about God handling it later on the gay marriage thing!

I don't think kids will miss out on which theory to choose if their parents are teaching them about their options at home. How about if we teach the scientific portion only at school (evolution - which could be at the hand of God right?), and let parents teach the religious stuff at home? I think the "good Christian moral leadership" should happen at home.

I agree about the holiday stuff - teach kids about them all or just skip it.

And to bring us back on topic:

Would I vote for the following, if I otherwise agreed with his/her political stance?
Catholic - Yes
Black - Yes
Jewish - Yes
A woman - Yes
Hispanic - Yes
Mormon - Yes
Married for third time - Yes (if married to the 3rd for a significant length of time)
72 years old - Maybe
A homosexual - Yes
An atheist - Definitely!
Muslim - yes
Hindu - yes
Pagan - yes

On the whole, a person's faith, ethnicity, or sexual preference doesn't make that much difference to me one way or another on its own. That said, I would probably not vote for a fundamentalist of any faith, and I'd probably shy away from followers of certain cults. But religious or not, I would prefer a President who keeps his religious beliefs private rather than constantly airing them in public.



This country doesn't have the freedoms it has because it has so many Christian leaders. Christian leaders do not necessarily good countries make. If that were so, then all Christian-ruled countries in the course of history would have had the same freedoms that the U.S. does, and yet, on the whole, they had as many, if not more, instances of religious persecution and violence against religious minorities (including other Christian sects) than modern communist nations have had. Ever heard of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre? How about the Siege of La Rochelle? How about Germany's Thirty Years War? The Spanish Inquisition? The Salem Witch Trials? You are aware that Hitler believed in God, right? Did you also know that the Puritans persecuted and murdered non-Puritans (such as Baptists and Quakers) for their religious views? As for the absence of freedoms in communist countries, this is due to fervent nationalism, personal greed, and overly centralized government rather than to atheism.