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#278717 11/07/06 10:18 AM
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Ah, but even the DL is motivated by something. I still maintain that there are no truly selfless acts. Every act, not matter how philathropic, is motivated by some payoff. Inner peace, warm fuzzies, whatever, the motivation is there.


Dalai Lama is truely a selfless person. He wants nothing. Not even Tibet's independence if that causes deaths. Look at the radiant smile on his face. I know his history and I can say that in my opinion Dalai Lama is a selfless person. This is my personal opinion. No offense to any body else's view.

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Ah, but even the DL is motivated by something. I still maintain that there are no truly selfless acts. Every act, not matter how philathropic, is motivated by some payoff. Inner peace, warm fuzzies, whatever, the motivation is there.


Dalai Lama is truely a selfless person. He wants nothing. Not even Tibet's independence if that causes deaths. Look at the radiant smile on his face. I know his history and I can say that in my opinion Dalai Lama is a selfless person. This is my personal opinion. No offense to any body else's view.


So are you saying the Dalai Lama gets no satisfaction whatsoever from the life he leads and the choices he makes? That seems incredibly sad and empty to me and not in line with the energy he exudes at all.

#278719 11/07/06 12:36 PM
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Fearless, I don't want to get off-topic, so maybe we could continue this on the buddhist board...but I think there is a danger of misunderstanding the term 'selfless'in the context of an 'ordinary Life' as compared to 'selfless' in a Buddhist context...

If you want to chat more on this, let me know, and I'll open a discussion thread....

Or not. as you decide. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

#278720 11/07/06 01:14 PM
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No need, but thanks for the offer. I wasn't speaking in a Buddhist context, that is quite different and I can see where the confusion would generate.

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#278722 11/12/06 04:13 PM
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Whenever a parent calls the CF selfish, I always like to bring up the following questions.

1. If you go to a restaurant by yourself and order something you like to eat, are you being selfish?
2. If you go to a restaurant on a date and order something without letting your date decide what he or she wants, are you being selfish?

I don't know about any of you, but personally, I like to think of "selfish" as referring to not just thinking about oneself, but doing so in a way that negatively affects someone else. So...

1. If you are childfree and you do something you like to do, are you being selfish?
2. If you are a parent and you do something you like to do without regards to your kid who must be really bored, are you being selfish?

Basically, can you call a CF person selfish if there is no kid who could be negatively affected by his or her actions? <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#278723 11/12/06 08:08 PM
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JMB,

Parents have an uncanny knack for hitting you where it hurts (or sometimes just annoys) the most!

My dad said it was selfish for me to nurse my children, because they couldn't get the proper nutrition that way. <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Even if people choose to remain childfree because they want to enjoy more of their money - I feel that is better than the many parents that go ahead and have numerous children in order to gain money through welfare - tremendously better!!! Because those children are usually neglected and/or abused.

Or parents that have children for a "social status" reason and just leave their children to be raised by nannies and boarding schools and have no time for them theirselves. That's neglect also.

At least the CF person has recognized that they don't want to split time/money/whatever with a child, and so don't put them through the agony of feeling unwanted.


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