BellaOnline Forums Religion and Spirituality Atheist Can Atheism REALLY be defended?

So your telling me that scientists that teach evolution also teach that God exists?

The same scientists that tell us that life began from a mutation in cell that appeared out of nothing mutated life into all different kinds of forms and has now stopped mutating are the same scientists that are telling us that God exists too?

I dont think so. You either believe in God or you believe in evolution.

Are you really as dense as you seem? Or just not a very good reader? Or deliberately trying to confuse the issue? Scientists who are evolutionary theorists don't necessarily teach it. There are teachers, and there are researchers, not always the same person. Someone who declares their own belief in god is not necessarily teaching it.

Are you saying that people who believe in evolution and say that they also believe in god are liars?

I don't really expect you to answer me except by repeating yourself or by twisting what I've said into some shape that pleases you.

In any case, I'm not likely to respond again, because it would be a waste of my time. And I do expect you to make some snarky comment about that.

Were gonna start throwing out insults now are we?
you can play that game mate not me.

I dont want to go into who teaches and researches and believes.
Its very simple. YOu either believe in God or you believe we came about through evolution.
I dont care who teaches it but doesnt research it etc.
Its either belief or unbelief.
And the same scientists that "claim" (whether they teach or research is irrelevant)that life came from evolution do not actually have any scientific basis for this. They only say that one day it may be discovered even though all of the evidence says it is impossible and points to intelligent design.

Still holding onto a theory that has no evidence is just arrogant.
Read the first page of this post again if you want!

My, my. I asked you some questions. If you want to throw a temper tantrum rather than answer them, that's your choice.

"I dont want to go into who teaches and researches and believes. Its very simple. YOu either believe in God or you believe we came about through evolution."

Well, at least now we know what to think about your claim that you're not using the god card. And yes, it is very simple--for the simple-minded. Which is, I guess, why you have no problem stating point-blank that you don't care about facts.

To end this little farce: thanks for confirming your complete predictability. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Well YankeeLass, you said

Well I think you really need to read what I wrote again because I think I did ask "who is the moral law giver of atheists" at the same time I refuted what you call reason and logic because once again whose reason and logic are you talking about? Yours or Hitlers or Mother Treasa's?

So, you have to have God, to have any morals?

Osma Bin Laden thinks HE is doing God's bidding, does he have morals?

The BTK serial killer in Kansas was a Deacon in his church, and I am sure he was "saved" once, did he have morals?

We could go as far back in written, recorded history to see those who claimed to be religious and moral and knew God's laws but who still were rotten people, enough to fill this post from end to end.

Knowing "god's laws" or even being "saved" has nothing to do with being a moral person.

Kibrilis, not to completely confuse the issue here <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, but...

I (as you know) believe in God, and believe in evolution- to an extent.

I do not believe that humans came from amoebas crawling out of the sea, nor that we descended from monkeys - because (the way I understand evolution) those animals would no longer be around. Once an animal has evolved then the previous, um, "version" of the animal is no longer valid (I guess that's the point or the way to say it- I'm not a scientist!)

But I do believe that species, and man to an extent has evolved. We have proof in the way of fossils and such to show that. I don't think science and God have to be mutually exclusive. I happen to believe that God is big enough that He could have created the universe any way He wanted - and if that means he did it so that it coincides with the "Big Bang" theory or Darwin's theory, then so be it.

I won't know for sure until I get to Heaven! <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I don't believe logic is subjective.

I'm not a scientist (and not picking on you, just helping out). The way to think of this is over time the tree branches. Several branches can grow from the original branch. This is similar to evolution. Humans branched off from "monkeys" over a loooooong period of time and eventually split altogether. Our "human" ancestors actually are extinct (Homo neanderthalensis, Homo floresiensis, etc).

Thankyou for adding to the post Bellaharmony.

However there isnt actually any evidence of evolution in fossils.
They claim to put certain species of creation together due to distinct likeness. But every fossil that has been assumed to be evidence for evolution has also been proved wrong.

Ill have to get evidence for this. I wouldnt like to make such a comment without proof.
In the spotlight was the case of a man who filed the jaw of an ape and put it to the skull of a human. He was ridiculed after.

Also there is a specif species of bird that people believed was a link between species of bird that were evolving to fly.

They believed this because they could not find the breast bone that holds the chest muscles in while a bird uses great force to fly. Later they found more fossils with the particular bone.

We have many fossils BH but we do not have anything to indicate that one species did indeed evolve from another.
Today no new species are evolving.
Yes there are new species being discovered as we explore further into the world, but they are not evolved from other species.