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You don't have to believe in spritits or a creator force to believe that things are wrong.

And i'm sorry, but that's really all I can be bothered with today. I will see you lot tomorrow.

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YankeeLass, how can you even say who is wrong? And if you say soeone is wrong what is it based on? I mean what is the standard for right and wrong in atheism? Is right and wrong something subjective that people make? Well the way I see it based on atheism, everyone has to make their own right and wrong. Don't they?


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As a matter of fact, before a modern society with morals came along, the law of the land WAS that the strong take advantage of the weak.

What made man decide not to follow nature and "survival of the fittest"?


Do you have children, by chance? Would you protect your child or mate against someone stronger than them? You consistently deny basic human traits.


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I still haven't seen a good arguement from the atheistic side for orgins!!! I mean seriously. Someone did say that christianity is this or theism is this or whatever but what is atheism. Someone said I didn't needed to defend theism. Well I think I do because it is not based on blind faith. Therefore it does need defence but atheism (funny thing I am starting to agree with some of you) maybe doesn't need one because it is based on blind faith. If you think otherwise you would be defending atheism. So people who said atheism doesn't need a defence please don't reply to this because atheism DOESN'T NEED A DEFENCE, RIGHT? So don't defend it.


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Do you have children, by chance? Would you protect your child or mate against someone stronger than them? You consistently deny basic human traits.


Some spiders eat their own children. I argue humans HAVE those traits BECAUSE of a MORAL compass inside them. The idea of a moral compass is contradictory to primal nature.

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YankeeLass, how can you even say who is wrong? And if you say someone is wrong what is it based on?


On his "personal" moral compass that no god put in him. Haha. It just was built up over time? Right? Somehow human nature magically defied primal nature?

Somehow "survival of the fittest" was ignored by man? Or could it be there is a spiritual compass that was given to man by a creator-force. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Doesn't atheism disagree with obsolute moral laws? Someone please answer that


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YankeeLass, how can you even say who is wrong? And if you say someone is wrong what is it based on?


On his "personal" moral compass that no god put in him. Haha. It just was built up over time? Right? Somehow human nature magically defied primal nature?

Somehow "survival of the fittest" was ignored by man? Or could it be there is a spiritual compass that was given to man by a creator-force. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


My 'moral compass' has evolved as I came to understand the impact of my actions. That's all I feel the need to say about that.

As for the origins I've been giving as good (or better than) I'm getting. I don't believe there is a god because my good sense tells me there isn't. We could go into that if there were sensible people around to do it with.

As for you, Jordan, I see that in your floating about the world keeping such educated and (oddly) well known company you've managed to overlook (strange since you would have been in the land of the word's origin) that 'lass' is used in ref to women.

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Doesn't atheism disagree with obsolute moral laws? Someone please answer that


Not at all. I have absolute moral laws, I just choose not to inflict them upon others.

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Say you have my moral code. It states this, and only this: You may not take what is not yours.
This means you are free in all your choices, so long as it takes no freedom away from someone else.
I base this code, as I've said before (but since I've been asked how I see something as wrong, I'll say it again) on the fact that we are all born separate creatures with separate minds. Since no one can determine personal morals for anyone else, the true law is that no one should, with the only rule being that rights for one means rights for each individual (the price paid for true freedom is respecting true freedom). As long as no one is infringed upon, no wrong has been committed.
Someone said something about homosexuality. I can't consider it wrong, so long as we're talking about consenting individuals (if we're not, the wrong is something entirely different anyway). Even if I did, somehow, I'm allowed to, as long as I don't start trying to stop them. What is the foundation for thinking it's wrong?

One more time on origins. No one knows how it happened. The difference is, some are saying it, but you (those who do) believe you have an answer. This question (once again) is not the determining one in the question of what to believe. Because no idea about the beginning is fact, because it is not known absolutely, it is not a basis for making a decision.

And Jordan person, maybe you cannot conceive of purpose without something outside of us or reality or however it is you phrase it, and I can only say to that, and there is no condescension or insult here, only genuine feeling (this isn't a phrase I use often): I feel sorry for you.

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