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Well After reading some of these posts here, I can see that most of the atheists, who claim to be tolarant, are saying that Christians are dumb, intolarant and rotten eggs(or something). I mean if you guys think that christians are all cheater, who beat up their wives, stupids that have no idea that there can't be a God, or don't believe in science and etc(I could add atleast like a million more from just reading a couple of the post above) and go to church and pretend that they are christians, Why don't you tolarate them and forgive them because you are the ones that know there is no God (lets remember that is also a believe) and they are the stupid? And if there is no God it doesn't matter what you believe, we will all die and it doesn't even matter but You are supposedly the tolarant ones why don't you tolarat them.
I believe there is good evidance that there is a God based on these arguements. Please tell me if I am wrong. If there is no God, then you either believe that we came from nothing or the universe is infinate in time. I mean it is eternal but I see no logic or science or even common sense in believing that we came from nothing. If you think we came from nothing please tell me why you believe so because I really want to know. Now for the second one, Is the universe eternal? The first law of thermodynamics says that matter and energy cannot be made or destroyed. The second law of theromdynamics says that the universe will go in a state of enthropy (we will have no usable energy left)but since we still have usable energy, we know that the universe had a beginning and everything that has a beginning has a cause. The universe has a beginning therefore the universe has a cause and Christians call this cause God. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth."

Then someone said," Any view or statement that some religious leader comes up with is just a theory or statement of faith on his or her part. I mean if you take the Bible LITERALLY then Earth is what some 6000 odd years and 7 days old?
If you listen to scientists and their THEORIES, the Earth is some billions and billions of years old. So then as a Christian who believes the Bible is literal, how do you explain Neanderthals, Cro-magnon Man (plus everything before and in between) and dinosaurs? So then Adam could not have been the first man.
But then if you listen to scientists it was all created in a "Big Bang. Wouldn't that be like me suddenly being able to create a diamond by holding a rock in my hand? It ain't gonna happen!
I know that you cannot create something from nothing. How it got created is the main mystery. Using common sense what do you all really believe? Me? I have NO IDEA!"
I wanted to comment on this. "Any view or statement that some religious leader comes up with is just a theory or statement of faith on his or her part" Well please tell us what you mean by religious leader because scientist come up with the idea that we evolved from nothing therefore I would also conclude that you are calling them religious leaders because that statment is also based on faith because there is no evidance for it. I mean they have evidance for micro-evolution but they call it macro-evolution but they two are completely two different things.
"I mean if you take the Bible LITERALLY then Earth is what some 6000 odd years and 7 days old?" Well I don't think that is true because christians in general don't believe in exact number of days but they say it was created between 7000 to 10000 years and they have reasons to believe so and if you really study their points they do make some really good arguements, take for example Ken Ham, Dr. Philip Fernandes. But Christians don't really have a problem with the age of the Earth, it is the Evolutionist and Atheists and others have the problem because for Christians it doesn't matter how old the Earth is but for evolutionist even the 18 to 20 billion years is not enough. Because life is too complex to develope with that much time so they always increase the age of the Earth. I don't really want to get into this too much but as some really famous say:"If complex organisms ever did evolve from simpler ones, the process took place contrary to the laws of nature, and must have involved what may rightly be termed the miraculous." R.E.D. Clark. There is alot of things that are taken by believe not by facts with evolutions.
Then you said, "how do you explain Neanderthals, Cro-magnon Man (plus everything before and in between) and dinosaurs? So then Adam could not have been the first man."
Neanderthals, Cro-magnon Man (plus everything before and in between) and dinosaurs. Well I would really recommand you reading these books, "Buried Alive: The Startling Truth about Neanderthal Man" and Neanderthal Man was not you know the pre-Adamic men or anything but actually as one scientist say,"Neanderthal bony features have nothing to do with evolutionary 'ape-man' beliefs. They are probably just an example of genetic variation among people, more pronounced in the early post-Flood era. Some evolutionists have pointed out that some Neanderthal bony features are found in a percentage of present-day Europeans." I mean Christians don't have a problem with that. And about dinosaurs, the bible clearly teach that humans lived with dinosaurs and yes it is possible. Go to http://www.answersingenesis.org or www.extremetruths.com if you want more info.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
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To that last post, I confess I am at a loss. I can only advise that you read things more closely.
To the idea of charity, I say this- I think, assuming the charity is worthy, then giving is a good thing. If what they do is in keeping with your beliefs, then it's wonderful to support that. And in personal relationships, I've given my opinion on generosity.
What I believe is wrong is the idea that anyone must give what is theirs. I believe that to give when and where you don't want to is wrong, and that for anyone to expect you to or force you to is wrong.


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Have we become your "Project"?


"All of us invent ourselves. Some of us just have more imagination than others."


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Boy o Boy.. "God loves you" maybe you need to follow the teachings of Christ and learn Tolerance. Beyond that my advice to everyone here is ... live in tolerance and try to understand eachother with love. That is the key to true knowledge.


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Well I would like to ask you what you mean by tolarance because some people don't know what that term means or abuse the term.


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tolarance to me means you get to know a person with out the jugdeing and preaching at then become friend and when they want to know more about you and your religion AND THEY ASK YOU then you share its not damning every one and thing that is not up to your code or morals!!!


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I really don't have any problem "tolerating" others. I really don't care honestly what other people believe or have I ever tried "converting" anyone.

I just really don't understand why other people have the need to convert others to what they believe so strongly. Does my not sharing their views somehow lessen the importance of what they believe? I really just don't get it!

What I loathe is when other people say their way is the ONLY right way! And that the rest of us are damned to hell for not believing as they do.

It doesn't bother me AT ALL if someone doesn't believe as I do.

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"Does my not sharing their views somehow lessen the importance of what they believe? "
I think some serious hitting the nail on the head just occurred there.


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Well by freebubbles2's defination of tolarance, I would say I have been pretty intolarant and I would like to apolazgize for being so. True I don't know most of you guys, actually I don't know any of you except by reading what you guys write in this forum. And also I am really new to this forum. I came to this page to answer the question that was asked in the beginning of this post. And I like commenting on things and I always question things. I mean if I see someone has written something that is not logical or right, I ask myself why has she or he written so and then I either ask what the mean by the thing they have written or I tell them it is wrong because of these following reasons and that is exactly why I get into so many diccusions.
And also truth by defination is intolarant, so sometimes it is ok to be intolarant but not always. I would love to know more about you guys and become friends with anyone who wishes so. If you want more info about me, write me at [email]samir@amazingjesus.com.[/email]

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I would just like to make one small point.

Any religion that says it is the only truth, or the only way to eternal life, is intolerent. Further more, I'd say it is FAR from the truth!


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams


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