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Are you sure you have the right forum. Everyone here seems to have been lovingly expressing their opinions. If I offended patience or any other individual I do apologize publically.

I wasn't talking about this time around, but we have had a couple of members on past discussions who were derogatory (they are no longer around) - and then some Christians in the world in general.

No, I think all of us that are Christians on this debate have been pretty good. (IMO - <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)

Thanks Carennedy for your honest response. And no, you have not offended me in any way. I believe you have always answered me respectfully. What you have said are not your personal opinions but those of the teachings you follow.

If Jesus considered Homosexuality to be unforgivable, then that certainly seals my fate, and the fate of millions of Homosexual people who do indeed love God and are trying to live Christian lives.

It doesn't affect me personally, because I don't really care what happens to me after I die because my conscience is clear, - but to others it will be a great heartbreak. It is those whom I care about. Those who have kept the faith, even though they have suffered greatly.

I think of those members of my congragation when I was in the Ministry, and how deep and sincere their devotion was. How pure their relationships with their partners were and are, and to know that Jesus, whom they loved so much, will reject them too, just because they wanted to love and be loved by one of their own kind. Because they took vows in the presence of God and promised to love and cherish until death, they will be turned away by Jesus himself. What a sad picture of Jesus that reveals! Hmmmm. I think I have definitely made the right choice in changing to Buddhism. How I wish those poor souls could too. (I think I'll have a huge job - comforting them when they die! At least they will know that someone accepts them as they are.)

Patience.

Patience,

You are forgetting about Grace. Your friends who love Jesus will not be condemned they will have to answer for their life but their sins have been forgiven and the Jesus they love will speak on their behalf.

Just like all other Christians who love Jesus but still sin everyday. Many still will lie occasionally, some will turn away from a person in need, some will judge others, some will act holier than thou on one occasion or another. Just because we are Christian does not make us sinless or perfect. If we love Jesus he will be there for us in the end because it is his blood that has been sacrificed for us and all we need to do is believe and love him.

Beliving in him isn't a license to sin. But as I said previously how close it is depends on your choices to live as sinless as possible and sacrifice for him.

So we are still sin filled? I will never change your mind, so I certainly will stop trying. Nor will you ever change my mind or my way of living my life. Would you please stop trying? I promise I will not make anti-Christian remarks if only you will stop making anti-gay ones.

I need no one to 'answer for me.' I am perfectly capable of doing that for myself.

Carennedy In one post you said

Jesus never condemned anyone he came in contact with, he was there to forgive sin. The fact that he never forgave a homosexual is more glaring because it means it was not forgivable to him.


and then in another you said


You are forgetting about Grace. Your friends who love Jesus will not be condemned they will have to answer for their life but their sins have been forgiven and the Jesus they love will speak on their behalf.

So which one is it????

When Jesus was here he forgave everyone that he came accross and ask them to go and sin no more.

Since patience friends love and follow Jesus he will speak on their behalf. The sins we don't ask for forgiveness for we will have to answer for. If they continue to live in a same sex relationship and don't repent that particular sin they will have to answer for it. The sins they have repented for have already been forgiven.

I have to think more about the first one it was in response to applelove posting that Jesus may be gay. So it was to counter that. However, it is a valid point all the same.

We certainly still have a problem here then, Carennedy, because Homosexual christians don't believe they are sinning by expressing their love in a committed relationship. What they regard as sin, is promiscuity and any form of sex, Heterosexual or Homosexual, which is indulged in without love and committment.

We cannot repent of what we do not believe is sin, and which we do not believe that Jesus regards as sin, so if what you say is true, then we are all damned. So be it!

Patience.

I was reading an interesting article ( I wish I could remember its source but if you google it you will find info) about the Animal kingdom.

It seems that there are Gay and Lesbian animals and it has been proven.I believe this is the way god wanted it.

Having a section of the community who falls in love and is attracted to the same sex in my opinion is natures way of controlling the population and just another way in which god made us all different and unique.

The Bible does not openley say that Gay relationships are a mortal sin and I believe with all my heart that god made some people that way inclined.

Some christians will dispute this and that is okay as its not up to us to change their belief system but at the same time My faith and belief cannot be shaken.
God is a loving god - I do not think he will judge anyone for having a loving relationship with someone of the same sex - I feel that with every fibre of my being...

I'm sorry Carennedy, you know that I respect your views but I have to step in here to point something out. You say that Jesus never condemned anyone he came into contact with, I think to make the assumtion that the fact that Jesus does not encounter a homosexual in the bible means that he finds the sin unforgivable is to interpret the bible in a way of your choosing. You could just as easily infer that as Jesus doesn't encounter any homosexual that they do not need forgiveness.

I'm not saying that this is the correct interpreation, it's just that it seems that you are 'filling in the blanks' in the bible, inferring something that isn't mentioned. Are there other people that Jesus does not come into contact with (and therefore forgive) that is mentioned in the old testament as someone who would be committing a sin, a man who shaves for example (if I remember my leviticus right)? Would it be fair to say that their sin is also unforgivable?

For all we know Jesus doesn't meet, forgive or condemn homosexuals because the apostles/those that have translated the new testament simply didn't consider it a problem, as in didn't think it happened at all and so did not even consider its morality in the eyes of God.