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Well, we do. I thought everyone knew that. Where else is there?


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Patience does not hate anyone...Its not in her nature or in the nature of buddism to have a hatred of christians.

Hete is a very powerful word - you should really be careful how you use it.

I think she expressed herself very well and has a good head on her shoulders.She is not christian yet she she behaves like a "true" one does.

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I just posted over in drama movies about the movie "V for Vendetta". Have any of y'all seen it?

I would definitely recommend it - parts of it has a lot to do with our discussion here. (Don't want to give it away if no-one has seen it yet). If you have seen it come join me over in the movies section! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

But the point is, this is where judgement gets all of us in trouble. We start poining fingers at people for what they do wrong, and then the fingers of persecution and hatred can dig their way into our hearts (and I'm not discounting myself - I'm not anymore immune than is anyone else.)

[color:"red"]�Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measurement ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. " [/color] Matthew 7:1

I guess it is just so much easier to see what's wrong with someone else, than with ourselves.

What's that old saying? "Those that can't do; teach." In this case it's "Those that can't figure out how to fix themselves; go find something wrong with someone else."

I stick by my statement - introduce people to God, let Him do the work, and let the two of them decide together if there are changes to be made in that person's life. That is whose business it is. (Unless of course it is a crime affecting someone else, like child molestation or murder - but that's a whole different subject).


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It totally amazes me! Only in a Christian forum do we have the most personal attacks and slanderous remarks made in a public forum! I wish this were a safe place with no problems or opposition. I am sorry to those who have been hurt or offended by the things someone has posted here. I don't get offended.

The level of threat from a Christian never comes from themselves but from the perceptions of their alledged opponent. I promise I have never had a personal opponent, but I have come under attack so many times.

Just the fact that I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died so I might have life everlasting through Him sends the librals out in droves to "prove" that I am a "fundie" or "narrow minded" or some kind of back woods, moonshine cookin', barefoot, Bible thumper.

This is my belief. And from my experience one cannot change what another believes.

Put downs and out and out bullying doesn't work. No one can change what I believe and I think it's funny that someone would try.

I have had this forum for going on 5 years and I'm still here. I'm not going away! To quote Joyce Meyer, "I hope that every morning I wake up, the devil trembles! I hope he is scowling, shaking his head, kicking the dirt and saying 'Oh No! She's getting up again!!!!'"

I can prove that the power of the Lord is real by reading back over the years the email and the postings that have attacked me personally, my forum readers personally and Christianity as a whole repeatedly!! Everytime I have opened my mouth (or raised my hands to type) I have met with opposition. It can only be the anointing that repels, I think.

No matter what the topic, it always comes down to how "wrong" Christians are and how un-PC our beliefs are. I have yet to eneter a discussion where the Bible isn't dragged through the mud and called "archaic". How threatened does one have to be to go into a forum like this one and use derogatory terms and attack a basic belief like Christianity? I say get over it or go away!! Maybe not PC, maybe not even "christian", but evs baby! I'm tired and fed up with being nice... some Christians just aren't "nice" and I personally believe that Tolerance is not respect.

I think Jesus loves all people. I think and BELIEVE God loves all people. Good, bad, ugly ,pretty, kind,mean,hetero,homo...evs. I think this is how He wants us to live. All are called but not all respond. So it really is on the individual. It's your fault, not God's. He hasn't changed. He's the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, whether we like it or not. Just deal. Decide.


JESUS DOESN'T HOLD UP A STANDARD, HE HOLDS UP A MIRROR AND SAYS REFLECT ME!
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Patience does not hate anyone...Its not in her nature or in the nature of buddism to have a hatred of christians.

Hete is a very powerful word - you should really be careful how you use it.

I think she expressed herself very well and has a good head on her shoulders.She is not christian yet she she behaves like a "true" one does.


I wasn't talking about patience, it was the posters after hers that took a very negative tone.

Funny how you see me negatively for saying that I feel attacked.

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Michelle,

Your last post is so true, all I mean to say is that it goes both ways. It seems that Christians get judged and seen as the bad people. Our beliefs are not respected, if we so much as question someone we are all bigots, yet our beliefs are questioned everyday.

I don't want to judge others, I just feel judged. I don't go to other sites to discredit or insult, yet they keep coming here. Oh well, makes for good posting and good debate.

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Just the fact that I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died so I might have life everlasting through Him sends the librals out in droves to "prove" that I am a "fundie" or "narrow minded" or some kind of back woods, moonshine cookin', barefoot, Bible thumper.


Amen Jenna

This is exactly the point. If we go to there sites we are labelled hate mongering attacks, yet they can come here and attack our beliefs. They claim to have an open mind yet they continue to disrespect us.

Jenna, don't apologize if others come on the forum and make people like me upset. I think it is good for people to post what they want as long as I am able to voice how I feel about it. I simply will not quietly allow someone to disrespect my belief system or desicrate my God.

Oh ya -- What's a fundie???? Don't have that term up here in igloo land of the never ending snow!!!

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I believe that homosexuality is as normal as being left-handed. The bible was written by men who were writing down their perception of god, which probably has nothing nothing to do with the actual deity! The god of the OT comes over as a very unpleasant creature indeed imo.


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In the Bible there is a verse 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you". For someone to take this verse at literal it would mean that we once existed in some other plane and the tendencies we are born to must not just be by chance.



I've been looking for an expert on the spiritual world and since you seem to know more than God....

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The fundies have an answer for everything however ludicrous it is. I was spiritually abused but the stinking penetecostal church I was forced to attend as a child, so have no love for them or their version of god!


So since you have all the sane non ludicrous answers we should all bow down to you??? At least we have answers to all the questions, mostly historically, biblically, archiologically, and spiritually supported. What do you have that proves your answers to the tough questions? Anything based in historical records? Archiologically proved? Or just your all knowing opinion?


Spiritually abused - that's a new one.

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