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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257393 07/20/06 03:28 AM
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Today Christian scholars concede that the writers of the gospels mark,mathew,luke and john were probably not the actuall deciples. you would have to question your own scholars however not me.


Writers of the Gospels:

Matthew - Was a Diciple of Jesus, he was the tax collector his audience was the Jews, this is why he starts out with the geneology of Jesus. Geneology is and was extermly important to the Jews.

Mark - A doctor and a companion to Paul. He travelled with the disciples and other early church followers. He may have followed Jesus, but was not a member of the inner circle. He would have talked to Mary, the mother of Jesus, James, the brother of Jesus, the disciples and the list goes on and on. He wrote the story of Jesus as a story.

Luke - As per my earlier post a historian under the employment of Theophilus. Unlike historians of today, he did not record his opinions but only the facts that he gained by interviewing eyewitnesses and friends of Jesus.

John - A disciple of Jesus, the disciple that Jesus loved more than the others. John was in Jesus' inner circle and knew more details than most. He was more than a follower of Christ, he was his friend. He was also the only Disciple to be an eye witness to the crucifixion.

OK I can't spell. that was established earlier too.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257394 07/20/06 04:01 AM
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6.Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul�s duties were to be?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he


OK here we go again #6.......

Lets look at the passage first: Acts 26:16-18 "Now stand up! For I have appeared to you to appoint you as my servant and my witness. You are to tell the world about this experience and about other times I will appear to you. 17 And I will protect you from both your own people nad the Gentiles. Yes, I am going to send you to the Gentiles, 18. to open their eyes so they may turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God. Then they will receive forgiveness for their sins and be give a place amoung God's people, who are set apart by faith in me."

The verse you are comparing it to is out of context, and incomplete.

Yes in Chapter 9 Luke wrote that Jesus said to Saul 5"I am Jesus the one you are persecuting, 6 Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you are to do." In verses 7-9 he tells how Paul then picked himself up, went to damascus and was blind for 3 days. 10. "Now there was a believer in Damascus named Ananias. the Lord spoke to him in a vision, calling "Ananias!" "yes lord," he replied. 11. The Lord Said "Go over to Straight Street, to the house of Judas (not Iscarot). When you arrive, ask for Saul of Tarsus. He is praying to me right now. 12. I have shown him a vision of a man named Ananias coming in and laying his hands on him so that he can see again.]

It goes on and records the Lord telling Ananias that Saul is the chosen one to go to the gentiles.....

As you can see from the bolded quote that God was sending Saul or Paul visions before Ananias came and laied hands on him so he could see again. It was Ananias that then taught him more and more about Jesus.

Once again this is not a contridiction, only an omission of detail and a verse taken out of context.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257395 07/20/06 04:13 AM
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There is so much more on here that I wish to respond to with Biblical and Historical truth. But it's becoming a long long long monolouge that I'm sure no one wants to read anymore.

Besides, its late and I'm tired. I'll pick up where I left off later. Besides so far I've disproved 50% of what this guys book has told him are contradictions. I know you have more and I'm sure I'm going to hear more of them.

I do have one last thought though. You mention that Islam believes in the Torah and the law of Moses and the words that Moses wrote.

Well here is a huge contridiction for you......

The dead sea scrolls prove that the copies we have today are almost 100% the same as they were in Biblical Times. They prove without a doubt that the Jewish scribes took their job so seriously they copied every word just as it was from the previous copy and there was no editing. This is a proven fact from a historical discovery. OK ....

So here's the contridiction:

Moses wrote in the book of Genesis that God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son and that this son was Isaac.

Islam believes it was Ishmeal and that Isaac was not a miracle child from God. That it is Ishmeal and his decendants that are the true choosen people and that the Jews are not the true followers of God.

So if you believe so much in the writings of Moses how come you are able to throw what Moses wrote about Isaac being the sacrifical son aside so easily?

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257396 07/20/06 04:15 AM
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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257397 07/20/06 04:54 AM
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OK -- I can't seem to stop.....

John 19:7 "The Jewish Leaders replied, By our laws he ought to die because he called himself the Son of God."

John 17:21 "My prayer for all of them is that they will be one, just as you and I are one, Father-that just as you are in me and I am in you, so they will be in us, and the world will believe you sent me."

How many old Testement Prophets talked about God being in them and them being in God?

John 17:1 "Father, the time has come. Glorify your son so he can give glory back to you.

John 17:3 "and this is the way to have eternal life-to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth. 4. I brought glory to you here on earth by doing everything you told me to do. 5. and now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began .

I could quote the Gospels for pages upon pages where Jesus claims to be the son of God, to be one with God, to have existed with God before the world began.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257398 07/20/06 05:26 PM
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Thanks, Carennedy. I do not believe she was a prostitute either. But I didn't realize many modern Christians no longer believe it as well.


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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257399 07/20/06 11:13 PM
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Thanks, Carennedy. I do not believe she was a prostitute either. But I didn't realize many modern Christians no longer believe it as well.


No most think she married Jesus thanks to Dan Brown, but that's a whole different topic on another forum.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257400 07/21/06 12:02 AM
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How many of the women cover their hair as they visit the churches for worship as ordered in corinthians?
Most of the women I see pouring out of church on sunday wear less than they would probably wear to bed!!!


OK -- this is where Paul really annoys me. I'm not sure what his deal was but he did write as though he felt women were useless ninny's who needed to be protected by men.

Over and Over again women are the ones to be converted and support his ministry. Throughout the Gospels it was the women who wholeheartingly loved Jesus and followed without question.

Maybe its just the way Paul writes..... But he does come accross as a sexist.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257401 07/21/06 02:57 AM
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On top of that there is about 40 versions of the bible, all different and not just in translation, there are countless errors that contradict one another and no one asks questions.


Where did you get your information regarding the Bible?

The Gospels were written with 100 years of Jesus death by those who saw him and knew him or knew disciples.

There are 5000 copies of the gospels and thousands of more fragments that date within 55 years of the original Gospels being written. These books and fragments were collected throughout the lands from Isreal to Rome. To compare this to other ancient documents, there are 7 copies of Plato's works. There is only 1 copy of Tactis's Annuals of Imperial Rome. There are 9 copies of historian Josephus's book The Jewish War, these copies are dated centuries after the originals.

When these books were compared it was found that 98.5% the same. The other 1.5% were found to be grammatical and spelling differences. Not differences in dogma.

Although there are thousands of translations of the Bible, (if you take into consideration the number of languages and the number of versions.) when compared they say the same thing. Want proof, read the Case for Christ and the Case for the Bible by Lee Strobel. He interviewed a number of scholars and then wrote these books about what they told him.

The multiple translations only mean that Christianity is universal and accessable to all cultures. The same can not be said of many of the other religions where you would have to learn a whole new language and adopt a whole different culture to be accepted.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257402 07/22/06 04:38 AM
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Here is a really interesting article on Christianity and the Muslim world and how although they are so different they want some of the same things.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/007/24.64.html

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