The zealots on the CF forum slay me. Children shouldn't be allowed in restaurants, shopping malls or anywhere a CF person might accidentally be exposed to the little terrors. Bah! Exactly how do they expect children to learn how to act in these places if they're not exposed to them?

Children are not pets--you don't crate them up for the day when you have to go out and you don't leash and muzzle them (well, okay, you can leash them) in public. Neither are children little dolls that sit perfectly quiet and unobtrusive.

I have friends who are CF thruogh choice and others who are CF for medical or other reasons. NONE of them wish to live in a world secluded from children; and when they want a completely child free day/night out, they have no problem finding one.

And the continuing "breeders" comments. Oooh...

Lynn:

You are right, I find them offensive as well. I will just leave it as ignorance.

as a childfree woman I would just like to clarify something...A "breeder" is a person who should never have had children.
I would never call that name to a parent.

Its not that childfree people want to be segregated form children its just that well for me personally I get sick of breeders who cannot control their children in a public place.If my husband and I go to a quality resturant we do not want our night ruined by screeming brats and usually the breeders think their kids are just being cute but they are NOT.

Is it not to much to ask for them to control their children? This would not have happened years ago...Children were raised alot better then. Pretty soon we will see a society filled with the dregs of society raised by loosers who just wanted a meal ticket. I think we are seeing that in society now but its going to get alot worse still.

I really admire the people who have children and put 100 percent into raising them right.It really is the hardest job in the world. I am lucky I am free to live my life the way I want to and am so glad that will never be me but thats just me.

I read the original article on the CF board - and i posted about it. There are some parent that are truly uncaring about how their children behave when they are out in public. Or anywhere, from the way it seems! I am shocked at the language and lack of respect that some kids are allowed to get away with these days. And if parents don't teach it to their children, then their children don't show it to other adults either.

But then it's like some of the CFers just have it in for all children! And any woman that actually chooses to have children has no brain cells left (and heaven forbid any of us actually choose to stay home with our children! You'd think we'd had a lobotomy)

I mean really, Freespirit. Is it not a bit duplicitous to come on here and say that you admire Moms for the job we do, and then go make a post on the CF board that mocks us? The titles of those posts DO show up on the main listing, and when it's talking about a subject that all of us have already been embroiled in, we're gonna look at it! <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I have read a few of the posts and decided not to read or comment anymore on it on their site. It is their opinions and their site. I have enough to be stressed about without reading them. I have wondered about the titles on the forum. I don't know if people without kids understand that sometimes no matter what you do, you can't control your child from being upset in public. Somedays are just like that. Children are like everyone else and have [censored] days. It embarrasses me when they act up, but I need things like groceries so I can't lock myself in the house and never leave. I try to handle it with as little stress on everyone in the store and the kids. I do not take my kids to eat after a certain time at night, to certain places to eat or to adult movies because I know it is not a place for kids. But I had a greeter act weird towards us at Walmart the other day because we were trying to get our daughter to sit in the front of the buggy. She is 2. I guess he thought we were suppose to beat her into the seat instead of telling her calmly we were not moving until she sat down. I guess the point is people are going to judge you no matter what you do. Just do your best and make good adults.

There are some cruel people out there that have 0 patience. I wish everyone had patience....

There are alot of inpatient people out there I know...But there are some people out there with "little horrors" who let them run riot with no consideration for other people and this is wrong.

There are many (notice I didint say all) people with children who have no clue and are to lazy to raise them right and we as a society are starting to see society breakdown because of it.

I feel sorry for all the decent parents out there trying the best they can and doing a bloody good job raiaing their children with love and care and then they get to school and they mix with the "ferals" who are a bad inflence on the children who otherwise would not go off the rails - its always been this way but over the last 10 years or so it has gotten alot worse.

Some children are adorable and I love interacting with them when I'm out. Some are not.

Just like grown-ups. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I'm CF and I enjoy the company of children. However when I go to an "adult" place such as an expensive restaurant- one that is dimly lit and requires dress attire, I would like to dine in a quiet atmosphere. When I attend an evening movie or play or concert I don't want to hear children scream.

I know that when I travel by plane there will be children some of them well behaved and some of them not. Believe or not a screaming child on a plane does not bother me. That child and his parents need to be on that flight. I understand the situation. However a baby does not "need" to be at a 9pm showing of an R-rated movie.

I know several parents who share these views. I have heard many of my friends complain about how they paid for a baby sitter for a nice evening on the town and saw another couple bring a crying baby or active toddler to a quality restaurant.

Very true...I have seen people bring their kids to the most innapropriate places... <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />