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If you'd like to help protect the definition of marriage to be between one man and one woman, fill out this online form which was featured on "EWTN Live" (www.ewtn.com).

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Thank Goodness I live in what seems to be by and large a more tolerant and "enlightened" country.
This is dreadful.

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What is so disgusting to you about a man and a man getting married or a woman and a woman. I can't believe how tolerant world this his, everyone hates eachother because of their skin color or their sexual orientation WTF is wrong with you people they aren't doing anything to you just accept the fact that their different and let them do as they wish.

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I know mate I agree with you but these people are very narrow minded - have pitty on them - I do.

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Homosexual relationships are not legitimate. They are biologically abnormal. They spread disease and death. That not only harms themselves but society as well. Acceptance of homosexuality is the last stage of a culture in decline. Tolerance is the last virtue of a degenerate society.

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Yes dave.... I know how you feel and so does everyone else.Its ok jezus(sic) will thank you for "spreading the word"

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Glad you agree. You're learning.

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What is the purpose of marriage and why is it necessary?

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Jane get ready for the big spool.. I am not toutching this one...lol..:)

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Marriage is a blood covenant between man, woman, and God. It is for children. Or the potential for children.

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I am married and love my husband very much.We plan on not having children.
Does that make our marriage less valid?

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"Homosexual relationships are not legitimate. They are biologically abnormal. They spread disease and death. That not only harms themselves but society as well."

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freespirit,
No, your marriage is valid. God gave you a covenant between you and your husband. He blesses your marriage. And you never know, someday....there might be the pitter-patter of little feet. But even if there is not, God still blesses husbands and wives. He doesn't break promises.

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Thankyou dave - your view supprised me because some (not all) christians think my marriage is a marriage in name only and that really hurts because I am very commited to my marriage but its nice to hear not all christians think this way.

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It doesn't matter what Christians think of your marriage. It matters what God thinks. The Bible says " The marriage bed is undefiled" That means if you are married you are blessed. Your marriage is "undefiled" or pure in the eyes of God. Real Christians are supposed to agree with scripture, not judge for themselves.

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Ok, so I've lived, faithfully, with the same man for 17 years. We have a child. We are a close knit family. Is that somehow less valid? The love we share and the normal relationship struggles that we have overcome do not appear to me to be diminished by the fact that we choose not to marry. And many marriages are, these days, just civil ceremonies, and nothing to do with religion.

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The Bible says your child is valid, your relationship is fornication. Sorry, God is very clear on that. All sex outside of marriage is sin. Fornication. It is a general term that means sexual immorality. The love you feel is valid. Love is permitted between anyone. Sex is restricted to marriage. God sees the two as seperate. People do too. They have sex with people they don't love all the time. It isn't love that justifies a relationship. It is God. God says we must love Him first, above and beyond any person. Not following His commandments is not loving Him. It is rebellion to Him. No marriage has anything to do with religion. It has to do with God. Big difference.

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We may love our brother or sister, but we may not have sex with them. We may love our parents, but we may not have sex with them. We may love someone of the same sex, but we may not have sex with them. We may love someone of the opposite sex, but we may not have sex with them, unless we marry them. Marriage is not a piece of paper between two people and the civil authorities. It is a covenant between a man and a woman and God. We are supposed to love our neighbors but not have sex with them. Sex is restricted to marriage. Marriage was created by and is governed by, God.

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I was trying to do some quick research on just how old the marriage ceremony is but http://www.roman-empire.net/society/soc-marriage.html is pretty interesting. Everything I have ever read about marriage, it was really just a way to "benefit" someone else. For example arranged marriages. Which is why I really find it very humorous that the government wants to make a law about it and I'm sure they will benefit from it. Jane depending on what state you live in, you may allready be married legally. I am married but I don't think you have to have a piece of paper to be "married". I also don't think that you or your spouse will be "burning in @#$%" because you are not married. Knowing that there is a high divorce rate apparently, there are alot of people who don't either recognize the piece of paper or take it seriously (take a look at statistics). Like I said, for years upon years, god had nothing to do with marriage, it has to do with benefitting someone.

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But surely, (Dave?), God is Love?

'It isn't love that justifies a relationship. It is God.'

I thought that was the point. That's what confuses me so much about so many religions. I really do believe that the 'higher power' constitutes Love. Rules suggesting otherwise are, to me, contrary to peaceful humanity. You already know where I come from 'spiritually', do you think I'm wrong in saying that Christians believe that God is love, or is God separate from that? And what exactly is a covenant if not an expression of fidelity through longterm experience? It is the deed not the expression which counts in my opinion.

Thanks Eva for the info <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> - in the UK we are held to be 'common law spouses' because we have lived together as man and wife for more than two years. Legal benefits are denied (I won't bore you by listing them). It's not easy being in a long term relationship of any kind, and I do feel that the work put in is as valid, and the love involved as strong, as religious ceremonies anywhere.

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God is love. God is not seperate from love. Love is seperate from sex. God puts no restrictions on love. You may love anyone, everyone, all the time. God does put restrictions on sex. You may only have sex with a person of the opposite sex who is your spouse. Period. Claiming love does not purchase an excuse. God defines the difference between love and lust. He created the universe, that gives Him the sole right to define its parameters both in the physical and spiritual realm. A covenant is a binding spiritual agreement. God never breaks covenant.
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Greenspice,
I should be more clear. Your love and your child are legitimate. Those two relationships are valid. Your sex with your live-in partner is not valid in God's eyes. You have no marrige, therefore you have no covenant with God or this person regarding the blessings or promises by God regarding marriage.
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I should be more clear. Your love and your child are legitimate and so is the love you and your man have for each other



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Thanks Dave, for your responses (and Freespirit <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ) - I don't see why sex isn't an expression of love. Love varies in its forms and as part of a union it can make up the whole truth that is the 'whole love'. And besides that, it's fun - surely part of being on earth is enjoyment as well? Having said that, I see your argument, that in your belief system, certain types of behaviour need to be controlled or validated by God. It isn't the way I think personally, but I respect you for it anyway <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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