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yes, just shake it each time before using.

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OK sorry for the delay, things got very hectic in there <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> We'll start this on June 1st. So again, from June 1-15, everyone eat "normal" and keep track of your weight and your approx daily carb intake. Don't worry about cheating or not cheating, i.e. if you eat a lot of carbs that's fine. It'll just help us to see the ACV difference if we know exactly how to compare them.

From June 15-30 I'll split us up in half and we'll go half and half on the ACV. We'll see how that affects things!


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Just a reminder to everyone - keep track of your weight starting on June 1st! I'll send out a newsletter to remind everyone <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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i want to try, count me in.

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Okey dokey, great! I'll send out reminders as we get closer to the Jun 15th date, so we know who will be taking the apple cider vinegar and who will be eating normally <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Hello all! I am new to this forum and I am about to make your day...

There is a brand new article in Medline (medical information site for doctors and medical scientists) about the uses, effects, and properties of vinegar. Apparently ACV has anti-glycemic properties and aid in the control of insulin in diabetics! Here is the abstract from the article:

Vinegar folklore is as colorful as it is practical. Legend states that a courtier in Babylonia (c. 5000 BC) "discovered" wine, formed from unattended grape juice, leading to the eventual discovery of vinegar and its use as a food preservative. Hippocrates (c. 420 BC) used vinegar medicinally to manage wounds. Hannibal of Carthage (c. 200 BC), the great military leader and strategist, used vinegar to dissolve boulders that blocked his army's path. Cleopatra (c. 50 BC) dissolved precious pearls in vinegar and offered her love potion to Anthony. Sung Tse, the 10th century creator of forensic medicine, advocated hand washing with sulfur and vinegar to avoid infection during autopsies. Based on the writings of US medical practitioners dating to the late 18th century, many ailments, from dropsy to poison ivy, croup, and stomachache, were treated with vinegar,[1] and, before the production and marketing of hypoglycemic agents, vinegar "teas" were commonly consumed by diabetics to help manage their chronic aliment. This review examines the scientific evidence for medicinal uses of vinegar, focusing particularly on the recent investigations supporting vinegar's role as an antiglycemic agent. Epidemiologic studies and clinical trials were identified by a MEDLINE title/abstract search with the following search terms: vinegar, glucose; vinegar, cancer; or vinegar, infection. All relevant randomized or case-control trials were included in this review.


And here is part of the discussion on anti-glycemic effects:

In healthy subjects, Ostman and colleagues[58] demonstrated that acetic acid had a dose-response effect on postprandial glycemia and insulinemia. Subjects consumed white bread (50 g carbohydrate) alone or with 3 portions of vinegar containing 1.1, 1.4, or 1.7 g acetic acid. At 30 minutes post-meal, blood glucose concentrations were significantly reduced by all concentrations of acetic acid as compared with the control value, and a negative linear relationship was calculated between blood glucose concentrations and the acetic acid content of the meal (r = -0.47, P = .001). Subjects were also asked to rate feelings of hunger/satiety on a scale ranging from extreme hunger (-10) to extreme satiety (+10) before meal consumption and at 15-minute intervals after the meal. Bread consumption alone scored the lowest rating of satiety (calculated as area under the curve from time 0-120 minutes). Feelings of satiety increased when vinegar was ingested with the bread, and a linear relationship was observed between satiety and the acetic acid content of the test meals (r = 0.41, P = .004).[58]

In a separate trial, healthy adult women consumed fewer total calories on days that vinegar was ingested at the morning meal.[50] In this trial, which used a blinded, randomized, placebo-controlled, crossover design, fasting participants consumed a test drink (placebo or vinegar) followed by the test meal composed of a buttered bagel and orange juice (87 g carbohydrate). Blood samples were collected for 1 hour after the meal. At the end of testing, participants were allowed to follow their normal activities and eating patterns the remainder of the day, but they were instructed to record food and beverage consumption until bedtime. Vinegar ingestion, as compared with placebo, reduced the 60-minute glucose response to the test meal (-54%, P < .05) and weakly affected later energy consumption (-200 kilocalories, P = .111). Regression analyses indicated that 60-minute glucose responses to test meals explained 11% to 16% of the variance in later energy consumption (P< .05).[50] Thus, vinegar may affect satiety by reducing the meal-time glycemic load. Of 20 studies published between 1977 and 1999, 16 demonstrated that low-glycemic index foods promoted postmeal satiety and/or reduced subsequent hunger.[59]

Sorry for such a long post for my first time. I am thrilled to find both this discussion and the info at the same time! The article goes on somewhat to talk about deleterious effects of taking vinegar (very few, unless you are drinking at least a cup a day for extended periods of time) and speculates on the mechansim of action of vinegar.

Interesting stuff - If anyone wants the link I can tell you how to log in to Medline and find the article.

I started taking ACV this morning....

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I find it interesting that this is NORMAL vinegar - not apple cider in particular. That is also what my own research found - that vinegar helps you to digest food better (since your stomach is acidic) but that the "apple cider" elements were so tiny so as to have pretty much no effect on your stomach.

In any case, we are mid-study right now! Everyone whose first name is A-M should be taking their daily dose of vinegar, so we can see how this works. Everyone who is N-Z, stay on your normal diet, so we can compare with you!


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okay I started taking the ACV on the first day I took it straight and I almost couldn't keep it down so the next couple of days I mixed it with a little bit of apple juice I know, I know, im not suppose to drink apple juice. So here is my question does anybody else have a better idea of how to take the ACV early in the morning without the yucky after taste?

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I drink a couple of table spoons of apple cider viengar in a cup of diet lemon lime in the evening when I take my vitamins/herbal supplements. I think the lemon lime and vinegar taste a little like ginger ale. (That is the only time I drink soft drinks. It is also the only way I can stand to drink the vinegar!)

I read a book a long time ago about how good apple cider vinegar is supposed to be for you in a lot of ways. I take it when I take my vitamins because I hope it will help them desolve.

I am not really trying to lose weight--just maintain.

I lost 70 lbs. almost 10 years ago and am determined not to put it back on!

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While the article I found talks about vinegar, and not apple cider vinegar in particular, I think taking ACV is a lot easier than straight vinegar!

I take 2 TBS in a large (12 oz) glass of ice cold water. I drank it quickly at first, and held my breath so you don't get the vinegar fumes up the nose. Don't hold in the mouth, and try to keep it off your tongue (kind of like shooting Jack Daniels back in the day....

After a while it is starting to taste better.

Julie

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