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Bob,

France ("DILLIGAF") <img src="/images/graemlins/computer.gif" alt="" />

You never know.
Besides, there were precedences before. Americans helped France although they were engaged in the Pacific War.

I hope that the French will be able to cope with rioters by themselves. If not, American army should do something about it. Polish army will lend a hand too.
FRANCE MUST STAY IN EUROPE! WE SHALL NOT LEAVE IT!

Well I must honestly say that in spite of some recent moves of some French politicians, and in spite of kind of anti-French hystteria I observe among part of my American friends, France, especially southern France, French capital (let's forget arrogant Parisien waiters for a while) French cuisine, French art, French love, French cars are still very liked by me. Politicians change, the people stay were they are.

Jerzy,
Your right you never know. The Americans will always help when asked and the Poles back us. I just wish the American Government would lift the visa requirement for Poles. I was just hoping that some of the hate American/Americans would stop if we did not get involved so much. It seems that our help is not wanted.
And I have a son in law in the Marines who has been to Iraq twice and I am sure as soon as his tour of duty is over in St. Petersburg he will be going to Iraq again. And I have had a good friend already killed then then hung from a bridge.

I enjoy French love too. However, I don`t respect French cars, they are so unreliable.
Hmm, you like both. Have you ever tried French love in a French car? It must be like the peak of all elations.

Hi Adam, I do trust you will not mind so much of an intrusion by an American upon this very interesting discussion. But, please do bear with me for a minute, one minute only.

I, in as much as a zillion other Amricans, are very interested in this situation the French are handling, and, I may say, they are doing a very good job at it. Their compensity of handling civil unrest was well founded in the past handling of long ago Algeria and others.

The French may be strange at first, but, then once a person understands their logic, they are a very simple people to deal with. For one thing, they are basic, romatic and very loyal to their ideals. This is their majour fault, it is their idealistical fantisium.

They will in short time, deal with this in as much as possible, considering that the mob violence is confined to the poor sections. If perchance, the violence bleds over into the more prominant sections, then, escalation of their federal rule will have to be involked. At present, it is a local problem, if though, it becomes out of hand and runs over across the German frontier, then it becomes an internatinal problem of which, France would have to bear witness to repreations for cost of containment.

A very interesting situation at that, these Arab type, they want at first to be accepted, then want to be seperated from those members of their own kind that accept violence, then, protection from thier brethern of violence to which they know and protect.

As an opinon, personal, I truly believe it will be up to public opinion and judgement as to how much of this will be allowed to be tolerated, then, what should be done about it in as much as to what actions are to be acceptable.

If not this to be stopped, it has a tendency to be viewed as normal by others trapped in the contenuancy of never ending poverty.

Only just a thought from one common American. What do you think?

Charles

Hi Adam, sorry, forgot to include this url concerning the riots. Probably just a brain contusion or some thing.

http://www.afp.com/english/news/stories/051108002651.uieex5rt.html

Thought perhaps it may be of interest.

Charles

My,my: go away for the weekend and quite the little tempest in a teapot!

It's kind of funny: when someone opens up a thread with a "the death of this country, the death of that country, the pick-up mentality", they are treated as "thought provoking" probes to stimulate conversation. I make an observation that ON THIS FORUM, absence of comment on the French riots was sad but predictable. Somehow I'm a villain hurling accusations only because I made an observation based on supportable facts that I presented in my 2nd post. I must have hit home. Europeans had plenty to say at the FIRST instances of looting in New Orleans, but that same community was quite for 8 days in the Paris matter: an observation of FACT, and then an editorial.

You all liked me better when I stayed out of the editorials and politics. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> I wished to do that and suggested a way to group political posts in their own permanent category here so those that if one didn�t want to read the political gibberish of others (which to others, mine is also) they could avoid them. But that was eschewed, and now, any and every thread may burst out in political opine and prejudice at any moment. As long as everyone nods their heads in agreement with the status quo, everybody�s happy. But one can only read so much junk before responding. So now, I do. You created a monster.


OK Jerzy, I'm going to give you a run for your money on "long posts"! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> So, let me retort to a few interesting comments.

Already discussed: the media did cover the riots, I saw them on the TV at our work lunch room only 2 days or so into them.


I don�t start political threads. I would like to avoid them, but when I saw how long it took for anyone to even mention them, I felt compelled to respond.


Didn�t say you were.


How could that be, I live in the �fly by� Midwest. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />


My post had nothing to do with the media. The story was being covered, and it was being covered in Europe from the start. What was questioned was the lack of discussion of the issue and the lack of comment by the large European community on this forum.


To repeat, I�ll not open up political threads. But if I start reading them, I�m likely to respond.



I find your comment especially fascinating Jerzy. Firstly, you are amazed by my �delicate accusation�, but proceed to explain WHY I�m correct in my assessment when you write:


I thank you for your honesty and explanation.<img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> You demonstrate that there is validity in what I expressed, and you merely explained on a personal level why it is so with you. Everyone is different and has their own reasons. I suggested a trend, but maybe I�m wrong?



This is my favorite. Where in my post did I make an �accusation� that �that for some strange reasons I am biased and I post informations about America and against Bush more than about other countries�. You must be getting confused with some stuff here Jaga, because I�ve reread my two posts over and over, and see no such thing. I merely said it took eight days for anyone to comment on the riots, and demonstrated how you personally did so in the New Orleans mess less then 24 hours after the rain stopped, and how the large European community was quick to condemn. Argentina is in South America, not Europe. My comments had nothing to do about the South American community. As for not posting on this �damaging leak by the current administration�, what the heck does that have to do with the topic at hand? Changing the subject isn't helpful.

A lot been written on this thread about stuff I haven�t said. But maybe that�s how it is when you hit close to home?

I'll try real hard to not read anymore political threads (though I guess I must continue reading this one) so that somebody likes me again... <img src="/images/graemlins/lovers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rolling.gif" alt="" />

AN APOLOGY

Readhead,
Please accept my sincere and heartfelt apology for essentially diverting this thread from your comments. You made observations and questions that for the most part went ignored while others retorted to my observation and editorial. On another forum I administer, they have a �split� button, which essentially starts a different thread at the place you press �split�. That would have been very appropriate after my comments.

Once again, I apologize for sidetracking your post.
piwo

Where do you present facts to prove that this omission was SAD BUT PREDICTABLE ?

I think those are the words that got me, for one, riled up. Who are you to make such a judgment on people that you do not know?




Oh for heavens sake! This particular forum has always discussed politics, and has never really stayed on topic on various threads. I have learned to just ignore the stuff I don't want to read rather than trying to bend everyone to "my way" of doing things (why should any visitor here try to dictate how things are done?). Someone said it would be like trying to herd cats ...

Since it appears we accept the status quo, you should too. Save your strength for when Eric - a very young, very anti-American American who pretend to be from Russia - comes back into the forum and excoriates us for being pro-American, pro-Polish, anti-Russian idiots.



Hmm, there are a handful of Europeans here, but I think there are many more Americans.



No, I think most of us were just surprised at how negative and judgmental you appear to be about a group of people that you don't know. Lighten up and have some fun.