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I really enjoyed Dr. Keith. I hope he takes me up on my PM...I think he can do better than this forum! No offense!

Kate

I wasn't exactly at a loss for words. I don't consider words such as '[censored]' and 'damn' to be profanity. A word like 'fucktrophy' is profanity.

What I find interesting is how someone like Keith who thinks he is so intelligent, decides to show his own lack of intellect by assuming that a 21 year old is too immature to engage in an intellectual conversation. I could go off on a lengthly diatribe on the stupidity of assuming that because one is only 21, they must be be less mature than older people and can't make their own decisions. I could also write a lengthly post on the utter stupidity on assuming that because one has a child as a young age, he/she must be less intelligent. But I'm not going to do that because I'm not sure this Keith is actually intelligent enough to grasp all of that. He could have attacked the idea of being an enabler in general. Engaged me in an intellectual conversation on the dangers of enabling and the impact it has on people. Instead he decide to show incredibly narrow-minded he is by attacking my age? Bad Keith, bad.

In my mind, age has nothing to do with maturity. Maturity depends on how much you choose to learn, regardless of how long you've lived so far.

Bleh, dont hate me people, but I do agree with Dr. Keith on everything he said. I too am fed up with the overpopulation of the human race too Dr.!!!!

Welcome to our board Dr. Keith! It's nice to see some more guys out here in the childfree world! Loved your posts, they pretty much hit the subject dead center.

I too must say I welcome a rational, well thought out, intelligent argument like the one Dr. Keith provided. I spend many hours in my education career developing tactics to increase the intelligence (thought processes) of the students and teachers in the schools in which I work. He is obviously a talented therapist and I have enjoyed all of his posts. I say welcome. I hope you don't go away!

Dr Keith,

I appreciated your initial post, which did not contain anything offensive or any personal attacks that I could see. You were simply stating your personal philosophy. If people choose to project their own personal issues onto what you wrote, well, I guess that's their problem.

I agree that not having children is an intelligent choice. Just as having children is if the decision is arrived at intelligently.

I am secure in my decision to be CF (as Dr. K appears to be) and don't need to attack parents or anyone else to feel better about where I am personally. Posters flying off the handle and reading all kinds of nonsense into the Dr.'s post that isn't even there are saying more about themselves and their level of comfort with their own choices than anything Dr. K might have said...

My 2 cents...

Michelle,

With all due respect, you obviously haven't read Dr. Keith's posting very carefully. He is not insulting anyone's intelligence.

As for his replies to you, you opened yourself up to that one by responding with personal attacks. What did you expect?

As for the rest of your post, you have obviously accomplished a lot in the face of adversity, but it is way off topic and IMO adds nothing to the discussion here.

Sorry, but Musical Mom is the one who turned it into a personal attack.

If I were Dr. K, I would have just ignored her as she was obviously seeking sympathy (*way* off topic for a CF forum, too, IMO) but he chose to stand by what he originally posted (which Musical did not even bother to read carefully before going off on her tangent and personally attacking the Dr.) and I respect him for that.

I hope he plans to stick around to elevate the debate above the parent/kid haters vs. wacky parents coming to a CF forum of all places to defend their choices...

I do have a similar story. I was out with my husband one day for lunch and there was a kid there that was screaming at the top of his lungs over and over. He wasn't throwing a temper tantrum, he was doing it just because he could. His mom just laughed and shook her finger at him. I thought about saying something to her, but did not. She turned to a family near her and just laughed and said, "Sorry." The fater of the nearby family said, "Oh, that's okay, they don't do it all the time." and laughed. I loudly said, "It's NOT okay," but apparently no one cared what I thought. I just couldn't believe that she allowed her child to scream over and over again and didn't do anything about it. After about half an hour of this, I had had enough and left with my food so I could finish eating in our car. I actually posted this on another CF board and got blasted by a parent claiming I was a child hater and an evil, vicious, wench because I was not okay with the child screaming for no reason. It makes me feel good when I see that others do not think that misbehaving children are cute either. Truly the kids today know how to handle their parents so they get exactly what they want, and everyone around them ignores them because their kids and so "cute". It drives me absolutely nuts!

Welcome to the board. I surely would have lost my patience if I had endured what you went through. I too never want my whole life to focus around kids - I don't want to have to watch them every single second of my waking life.