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It should not be an argument but rather an issue of faith...There is zero proof of it that is why it is called "faith"

The inability of hard line religious fundamentalists to see science for what it is - a beautiful thing created by God himself - baffles me.

Would God not give us questioning minds if he did not want us to question? To look and see the wonder that is scientific discovery?

To a person who is exercising their free will, and truly exercising it not paying it lip service, the study of science and the study of all religions can lead one down a forked road that finally devolves into one path. It only makes God more magnificent to see the finesse to which the entire system of the universe works.

I am sorry that people close their eyes to the wonder of creation, finding it only in a book and not out there, where it truly exists.

Maybe it's not "God" but the Churches that do not want us "to see the wonder that is scientific discovery"?

Moon,you hit the nail on the head....

nice to see you are keeping an open mind, up for an interesting debate and not at all alienating anyone who might have religous views.

God has created a wonderful place which could harbour human life. He has supplied us with inquisitive minds to investigate the universe. There are clues to His creation of it, but nothing obvious as faith is needed.

Sciece is unravelling a lot about the universe. but even if you do believe in the big bang, what happened before it? how can the universe appear from nothing? why cant we work out what happened in the first microseconds of the big bang? we may never know the answer i guess

I agree with your thoughts.

Physics says that mass +energy of a closed system never changes. we can treat the universe as a closed system.
the physicists are unable to answer about the violation of the law at the time of big bang.

I wondered the same thing. I know the theory about the universe expanding, but it's creation as being a "current event"?!?!

In any case, I go along with a quote I read somewhere. Used to keep it over my desk during my years as a scientist. It went something like this:

"The true scientist needs no miracles. To him (or her) the fact that all that is came into existence as a matter of chance is miracle enough."

DJC

A guy once told me that if nothing else existed in the universe but a rock, that rock would be a miracle. I thought this was far-fetched, stretching the definition of a miracle.

That same guy does not believe man went to the moon, and even produced a TV show about what he calls the "moon hoax." There are lots of hoaxes, including global warming, but man did, in fact, go to the moon.

The creation is yet to be understood. Let us wait for some years.