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The Universe and its elements : all the galaxies, stars, planets, asteroids, the Milky Way, the Sun, the Earth, the Moon and billions of other immense bodies are rotating and revolving in excellent harmony. If scrutinized in terms of cosmic, physical, mathematical and bio-chemical aspects, from micro level to macro level, the Universe proves to be supplied with the most suitable design for human life.

From the expansional rate of the Universe to the location of Earth in the Solar System, from percengates of athmospheric gases to properties of sunlight, innumerous equilibriums are sustained each second and each hour. Not even one of these arrangements may occur by chance. All obey the infallible wisdom of God exhibiting His might and art.This web site displays the evidence for the creation of the Universe and it reveals the eternal might and wisdom of God, who created this great universe from nothingness.

http://www.creationofuniverse.com/
http://www.harunyahya.com/

Universe and its creator both are a marvel.

I thought this was a currents events forum? The Creation story in the Bible is just a story. I find it hard to believe people actually believe it to be literally true in the 21st century, how sad!

Yeah, I'm not sure what a god has to do with this. It's science. Facts, not ficiton. And it's not a current event it happened billions of years ago.

yup I know... I agree

It is hard to combine science and religion, but not impossible.

Please explain how it is possible to combine them both because I think they are not compatible

I believe the two are totally compatible.

Through science, we can learn how fascinating and mysterious the universe and the laws which it observes are. Through quantum physics, we learn that an atom (the same one) can be in two places at the same time. It is truly remarkable. And the more we know, the more we realize we don't know.

Recently, scientists plotted all the galaxies in the universe to create a picture. To me, the picture looks like a lotus flower.

I don't speak of the dogma within religion, but the idea of an intelligent creator with great power and foresight to create a world that is totally interdependent upon everything else in it (for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction; energy cannot be created or destroyed, etc.), is stirred by observances of the natural world.

For one sermon, Buddha said no words but held up a flower. He was saying that in the natural world is everything you need to know about your place in life and God's magnificence. Studying the flower indepth only amplifies one's reverence for the perfectness of the creator.

Through facts we can ascertain the ideals behind the operation of the world, and in those ideals lie a clue to God's mind.

Thankyou for your post which for me has made me stop and think.I love hearing others perspectioves on this subject and what you said is very interesting and provokes thought.

If you are interested in an in depth look at the argument for Creation check out this website.

http://www.leestrobel.com/LS_Creator.htm

It should not be an argument but rather an issue of faith...There is zero proof of it that is why it is called "faith"

The inability of hard line religious fundamentalists to see science for what it is - a beautiful thing created by God himself - baffles me.

Would God not give us questioning minds if he did not want us to question? To look and see the wonder that is scientific discovery?

To a person who is exercising their free will, and truly exercising it not paying it lip service, the study of science and the study of all religions can lead one down a forked road that finally devolves into one path. It only makes God more magnificent to see the finesse to which the entire system of the universe works.

I am sorry that people close their eyes to the wonder of creation, finding it only in a book and not out there, where it truly exists.

Maybe it's not "God" but the Churches that do not want us "to see the wonder that is scientific discovery"?

Moon,you hit the nail on the head....

nice to see you are keeping an open mind, up for an interesting debate and not at all alienating anyone who might have religous views.

God has created a wonderful place which could harbour human life. He has supplied us with inquisitive minds to investigate the universe. There are clues to His creation of it, but nothing obvious as faith is needed.

Sciece is unravelling a lot about the universe. but even if you do believe in the big bang, what happened before it? how can the universe appear from nothing? why cant we work out what happened in the first microseconds of the big bang? we may never know the answer i guess

I agree with your thoughts.

Physics says that mass +energy of a closed system never changes. we can treat the universe as a closed system.
the physicists are unable to answer about the violation of the law at the time of big bang.

I wondered the same thing. I know the theory about the universe expanding, but it's creation as being a "current event"?!?!

In any case, I go along with a quote I read somewhere. Used to keep it over my desk during my years as a scientist. It went something like this:

"The true scientist needs no miracles. To him (or her) the fact that all that is came into existence as a matter of chance is miracle enough."

DJC

A guy once told me that if nothing else existed in the universe but a rock, that rock would be a miracle. I thought this was far-fetched, stretching the definition of a miracle.

That same guy does not believe man went to the moon, and even produced a TV show about what he calls the "moon hoax." There are lots of hoaxes, including global warming, but man did, in fact, go to the moon.

The creation is yet to be understood. Let us wait for some years.

So, Jim,

You're still not convinced about global warming, huh? Maybe we ought to start a thread on that subject if there isn't one already.

DJC

This isn't a hoax



This is.

I saw the programme,and whilst NASA denied everything the researchers uncovered, they were unable to provide any proof to the contrary. It was hilarious, watching all these over-paid government boffins squirming!!

How can anybody call global warming a hoax? Is it only because the USa has not signed the Kyoto protocol?

Particularly someone who prides himself on writing about saving the planet!

DJC

Yes. that is surprising.

Global warming is measurable. Scientists have worked on it and could describe definite causes and how we can deal with. I accept what they said and didn�t hear any thing contrary with that to consider them too.
Many people said that: �some one created us and the entire world�. When I see galaxies, worlds! Hardly can imagine about creator and its reasons.
Maybe our world has been in excellent harmony but let guess, if any part of it hasn�t such harmony, what should happen, maybe no existence at all.
Could stop in a point and tell, �that�s all�?
I just tell my opinion at this moment!
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I always wonder about what was there before our universe cam in existance.

Oh, Alexandra - please don't tell me you're one of those crackpots who think the moon landings are hoaxes? The truth is that there is not one piece of "evidence" that the accusers produce that cannot be refuted or explained:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

To answer the query- what was there before the universe, time began from then itself.

Nah. Still not convinced. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."

And sorry to disappoint you - many things I may be, but 'Crackpot' I ain't.

So let me get this straight - you saw a pseudoscience documentary on television one time and fell for whatever non-evidence they spouted, and then read the very reasonable and scientifically sound website I cited, and you still prefer to believe in nonsense. Sounds crackpot to me.

As far as "protesting too much" - I don't think that speaking up against ignorance, especially scientific ignorance is protesting too much. I will ALWAYS speak up against erroneous thought - whether it be creationism, moon hoax theories, flat-earth believers, or whatever other ridiculous notions are out there.

Let me put it another way.
I really don't care one way or the other, quite frankly.

The only thing I am concerned about is our eagerness to find other worlds to inhabit, corrupt and pollute, because we've made such a mess of this one. I think the money would be better spent by those concerned, in trying to improve life on this planet, before trying to fudge another one up.

You're right about having made a mess of this one. A huge mess, in my opinion. I can't even read about the Mideast situation anymore without getting totally depressed. And as for the total destruction of the environment and the decimation of whole species, Darfur and pretty much every other place in Africa, HIV, malaria, global warming.... and yet so much wealth and power is held by so few people and most don't seem willing to do much to help out the world. Thank god for those rare individuals like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet - at least they're doing something with their riches...Paris Hilton should maybe stop worrying about her next party and try and think about doing something constructive with her money! OK! I'm getting off the soapbox now!

Most of us know about the mess now because of information. earlier also there was lot of opression and hunger. but no information. so no body knew what was happening around.

Remember third law of thermodynamics- with time entropy increases. So the mess is increasing.

Please don�t call it waste money or mess. I think human need this science; even if it need huge invest. I know that American paid it by tax and we haven�t participated, but I honored to each human progress. Yes in the earth we have a lot of problem as Darfur, middle East, HIV and so on, but it don�t mean we have not to think about space and other planet, I guess Bill Gates and Warren Buffet also interested to know what�s going on in galaxy and support such project (not sure about Paris Hilton!lol).

Two months ago Anosheh Ansari paid 20 Million dollar $ and went to space, many people called it �misspend money� but I think, she is sane and smart.
Recently I saw a news in BBC that scientists observed some water flounce in Mars, it�s exciting.