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Nancy,

good you noticed it. I think the best could be to let these kids to be adopted abroad but probably Ukraine does not let it. The situation is not any better in Russia as a whole.

Did you ever see how tragic was the situation of the kids in Romania?

I remember somebody asking me about orphanages in Poland, I wish there was a more coordinated action from all EE countries done in such a way that many people could be involved - because they simply know about it. Usually people ask about all of this around Christmas.

There is a reason countries are beginning to prohibit foreign adoptions - there simply will not be enough people in the next generation left in the country! Not only are birth rates so low that the population continues to decrease, but foreign adoptions is only further reducing the number of residents that will be able to provide labor to the countries' workforce in the future.

What realistic option do these countries have? Wait another 30 years, when about 500 people are left in each country, and have them beg people to return once they're grown up?

***there simply will not be enough people in the next generation left in the country!***

Eric,

I understand your point but... if the people in these countries really care for their children why they cannot make them the parts of their families!!!

What is wrong with these societies?

They should take care of their children. Is that not realistic?

Jaga and Nancy, as you know, adoption is just extremely rare in the former socialist countries.

The first reason is that previously, it was not necessary. The state's orphanages and other social services, like everything else, was financed from basically a bottomless purse. Also, it was part of the ideology that the state is capable and supposed to take care of the people, especially those who can not take care of themselves.

Obviously, that ideology does not exist anymore, and even more importantly, the countries are just too poor to do the job themselves anymore. So, why no adoption within the countries now? Because families are too poor, too. They are barely able to take care of themselves, let alone have to take care of new people who aren't even theirs.

On the other hand, what is it solving by taking all the children out of the country? It is only promising that these poor countries will NEVER improve, because there simply won't be a large enough workforce to support the country in the future.

So, this is why countries like Ukraine and Romania are beginning to ban foreign adoptions - it is to secure the future of their countries. I once read that Romania is actually very worried that too many members of the future workforce already have left, so for them, it may be too late, unless the birthrate suddenly skyrockets (it won't), unless there is mass immigration (like the German example of the 1960s, but it won't happen), or if, 20 years from now, the adopted kids would return home (but they won't, because their country won't be any better owing to the lack of workforce to actually make it better).

If work force were a consideration, they would put these children in school or to work.

Eric,
what you say I am afraid is not islolated individual opinion.

Taura - What age limit are you considering? Do you want 3 year olds working in factories or on the streets selling cigarettes?

Forza - I believe it is the only realistic opinion. A line has to be drawn somewhere to secure the future of the country. All of Europe is facing a declining birthrate and a population that is getting old fast. The number of children for the future generation is already very small, and when that small number is reduced even further, countries just will have no chance for the future. So, what is more important - short-term for individuals, or the long-term for the whole country?

To deny possiblity of adoption to kids is plain cruel.
To keep them in orphanage so they would work when capable in the country where the orphanage is located? Is that your proposal? I thought you were away from Russia for a while already! It is not large enough number of people to have any impact on the whole country economy or workforce status but regulations you support are enoguh to kill chances for a better life for some individuals.