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This week's features inlcude a three part series on a philosophy of quantum physics. I'd like to know what others have to say about this issue. Comments, questions, suggestions are welcome!
Thanks for your interest and consideration.
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I love this topic (as a physicist).
I like to philosophize (sp?) about the slit experiment. If observers are not present, then the wave function is not collapsed. If everyone in the universe is dead then (think: after all the stars burn out.) will the universe be a soup of 5th dimensional energy?
IF in order for the universe to exist as it does it requires observers, then how did the universe start? no one observed the big bang, so did the universe start somewhere in the middle and the spacetime wave function collapsed both ways from that one point? If it did collapse, due to calculus, the endpoint cannot be derivable nor integrable, and thus would be a singularity (big bang). If the universe was created somewhere between the beginning and the end, then how does that affect the way we percieve the flow of time? The laws of thermodynamics? Do those depend on which way the wave function collapsed?
Let's say the laws of physics were already laid down. Based on that, whatever point in spacetime in which the universe 'started' had to have happened due to someone observing something. The 'creator' wouldn't have had to do much to start an entire universe, just see something, or say 'that thing is there in space at this moment in time.' THEN BAM!! whole universe just collapses (in a good way) from that one instant. Anything that one thing that is definitively there at that point in time has interacted with causes it to become trapped in the spacetime dimension.
I love it.
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Physics has been a subject of my choice.
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I love it! A physicist whom I can posit roving, philosophical questions toward!
Given the above paragraph, where you've stated "Based on that, whatever point in spacetime in which the Universe 'started' had to have happened due to someone observing something. The 'creator' wouldn't have had to do much to start an entire universe, just see something, or say 'that thing is there in space at this moment in time.' THEN BAM!! - is that mathmatically provable, ie, is it an accepted observation of physics or your own speculation based on physical theorems?
Curiously,
Lis
Lisbeth Cheever-Gessaman
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Foo. He must have vanished into the Quantum. 
Lisbeth Cheever-Gessaman
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But if God is Eternal, then there is no end and no beginning....What was he doing all the time earth didn't exist?
God is just a time-laden concept. The moment we started to believe in him, he began to exist. When the earth ends, he will cease to exist, as no living being will be around to believe in him. For God to be eternal, there has to be concrete evidence of his existence prior to man becoming aware of him. And there isn't.
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I love this topic (as a physicist).
I like to philosophize (sp?) about the slit experiment. If observers are not present, then the wave function is not collapsed. If everyone in the universe is dead then (think: after all the stars burn out.) will the universe be a soup of 5th dimensional energy?
IF in order for the universe to exist as it does it requires observers, then how did the universe start? no one observed the big bang, so did the universe start somewhere in the middle and the spacetime wave function collapsed both ways from that one point? If it did collapse, due to calculus, the endpoint cannot be derivable nor integrable, and thus would be a singularity (big bang). If the universe was created somewhere between the beginning and the end, then how does that affect the way we percieve the flow of time? The laws of thermodynamics? Do those depend on which way the wave function collapsed?
Let's say the laws of physics were already laid down. Based on that, whatever point in spacetime in which the universe 'started' had to have happened due to someone observing something. The 'creator' wouldn't have had to do much to start an entire universe, just see something, or say 'that thing is there in space at this moment in time.' THEN BAM!! whole universe just collapses (in a good way) from that one instant. Anything that one thing that is definitively there at that point in time has interacted with causes it to become trapped in the spacetime dimension.
I love it. this post makes me think. Thank you.
A girl from Japan.
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God created all particles and photons. He knows these three things. This is where it falls down without even getting into the quantum physics. You must have the belief in a god in the first place or the argument is unconvincing. It provides an explanation of how a god or God might have an overview of past, present and future if that god or God actually exists but we are still left with the question: is there a god or God (or are there gods or Gods)?
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But if God is Eternal, then there is no end and no beginning....What was he doing all the time earth didn't exist?
God is just a time-laden concept. The moment we started to believe in him, he began to exist. When the earth ends, he will cease to exist, as no living being will be around to believe in him. For God to be eternal, there has to be concrete evidence of his existence prior to man becoming aware of him. And there isn't. I know that you will not agree with me. I believe that God is eternal. He sleeps in his Bliss all the time and when he wants to multiply he creates this world. After a definite period he destroys the world again to go to blissful sleep. This is what Hinduism teaches.
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I love it! A physicist whom I can posit roving, philosophical questions toward!
Given the above paragraph, where you've stated "Based on that, whatever point in spacetime in which the Universe 'started' had to have happened due to someone observing something. The 'creator' wouldn't have had to do much to start an entire universe, just see something, or say 'that thing is there in space at this moment in time.' THEN BAM!! - is that mathmatically provable, ie, is it an accepted observation of physics or your own speculation based on physical theorems?
Curiously,
Lis
At zero time there was nothing. At .000000 to infinity seconds, the big bang began. Infinite energy and mass was created and hurled out to form the universe. Difficult to comprehend.
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