logo
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 19
E
Ewunia Offline OP
Newbie
OP Offline
Newbie
E
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 19
Hello Group:

Here is a link to an article that appeared in The Sunday Times, UK this past Sunday. It was written by Norman Davies:

"Russia, the missing link in Britain's VE Day mythology"
Eve

Last edited by Ewunia; 05/03/05 09:12 AM.
Sponsored Post Advertisement
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,577
Tiger
Offline
Tiger
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,577
Hi Eve,

very interesting article. Let me quote some fragments:

In June 1941, at the start of Operation Barbarossa, it was not Russia that the Wehrmacht invaded, but Soviet-occupied Poland. The German armies overran the Baltic states, Byelorussia, and Ukraine, but only the fringes of Russia. They approached the outskirts of Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad but never secured a main Russian city. As a result, by far the heaviest civilian casualties were incurred in the western, non-Russian borders.


These are not territories over which President Putin presides today but westerners rarely notice such niceties. For western attitudes to the second world war crystallised in the immediate post-war years and have never budged. They were moulded by the accounts of western commentators such as Winston Churchill, which concentrated on western aspects of the war. The political framework was provided by the popular ideology of anti-fascism. And the moral arguments were supplied by the Nuremberg tribunal, whose shortcomings attracted little attention.

So the horrific realities of the war in eastern Europe remained half-hidden for years. The world heard the first official hints about Stalin�s misdeeds from Khrushchev�s �Secret Speech� in 1956. But the extraordinary scale of wartime mortality in the USSR � now estimated at 27m � did not begin to emerge until the first post-war Soviet census in 1959. It was the 1960s before Solzhenitsyn revealed the true nature of the Gulag, the philosopher Hannah Arendt provoked the debate on totalitarianism, and Robert Conquest published pioneering studies in The Great Terror and The Nation Killers.

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 205
F
Shark
Offline
Shark
F
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 205
Eve,

I read your post with great interest.. It was well written..I was a German P.O.W during WW2..So I feel qualified to respond to your post.
I was with the American Army from Normandy, all the way to the Ludendorff bridge across the Rhine at Remagen , where I was wounded and captured. I fought in many major battles including the Battle of the Bulge. So I know something about War.. All War is hell. But at least on the Western front, it was a civilized war.. Yes ,there were atrocities..But nothing like the Eastern front.. As a captive I was reasonably well treated..

Last week I watched the whole war from the gates of Moscow and Stalingrad all the way back to Berlin on our History channel.. What I saw was madness on both sides..This was a war of revenge.. They fought like animals.. Both sides. I watched a Battalion of Soviet women that were ordered to charge a fortified German position until they were all exterminated. It showed many acts like this.. There was no regard for human life shown by Hitler or Stalin.

So who actually won the war? This is something that can be argued by both sides for eternity.. Personally I do not think that it could be accomplished without each others help .. But both Hitler and Stalin were mad men .They were both Tyrants


franek

Link Copied to Clipboard
Brand New Posts
Psalm for the day
by Angie - 08/10/25 06:58 PM
Sewing Pattern Mysteries
by Cheryl - Sewing Editor - 08/06/25 01:47 PM
Canadian Film "The Auction" - New Review
by Angela - Drama Movies - 08/02/25 03:15 PM
Easy Sewing Projects for Beginning Sewers
by Cheryl - Sewing Editor - 07/31/25 10:38 AM
Lining Pocket Surprise
by Cheryl - Sewing Editor - 07/23/25 05:45 PM
"Mother of Mine" - WWII Drama from Finland
by Angela - Drama Movies - 07/20/25 12:48 AM
Cinema Nomad - New Show for World Cinema Lovers
by Angela - Drama Movies - 07/20/25 12:35 AM
Summer Tie-dyeing Options
by Cheryl - Sewing Editor - 07/16/25 02:13 PM
Sponsor
Safety
We take forum safety very seriously here at BellaOnline. Please be sure to read through our Forum Guidelines. Let us know if you have any questions or comments!
Privacy
This forum uses cookies to ensure smooth navigation from page to page of a thread. If you choose to register and provide your email, that email is solely used to get your password to you and updates on any topics you choose to watch. Nothing else. Ask with any questions!


| About BellaOnline | Privacy Policy | Advertising | Become an Editor |
Website copyright © 2022 Minerva WebWorks LLC. All rights reserved.


Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5