Well I took my tiels to an avian vet. She found out they had giardia and my hen had an infection <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> But they gave me some powder for their water and some antibiotic for her. I've administered them both and they seem to be much happier. I disinfected their dishes, got new perches, etc. If I don't change their cage every hour or more they could get reinfected so now I am the poop collecting queen!!!lol, love can be [censored] . . . just kiddin I love em anyways