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#188839 04/15/05 01:42 AM
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Hey guys. I have been posting on a guinea pig forum lately because I have guinea pigs. Tonight I received a 'private message' from someone that posts there, and she sent me this link in response to a picture I posted on the website of my guinea pig and Willy, who is in a 1 gallon aquaview. Keep in mind Willy is healthy and happier than ever, making bubblenests all the time.

http://www.peta.org/feat/aquab/

I guess she is unhappy that I have a betta & also that I have him in a smaller tank.

What would you guys suggest I write back to her?

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#188840 04/16/05 02:03 PM
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Tell her that you are obviously a good fish owner because you go to these forums! No bad owner would bother taking the time to learn about the fish and take all these pictures and obsess over them!! I am appaled that someone would even jump to these conclusions about people. Did you tell her your fish was obviously happy? Let her have it, because I'm really sick of PETA people thinking they have all the answers!! They found me at my dorm and sent me some weird "A Cow's Life" comic book on the evils of leather and eating cow meat or dairy products, and in it they mentioned that Nike and Rebok among others produce shoes without animal products...EXCEPT FOR CHILD LABOR....which strangely didn't come up. Huh. GR now I'm really mad at all these animal rights people again...there is no one standard that you can hold to every animal in every situation.

Okay enough of my ramblings...stupid peta...okay I'm done!


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#188841 04/16/05 05:20 PM
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I agree!!! Here's what I had to say back to her:

"Just so you know, my betta fish are healthy and happy, blowing bubblenests (a sign of happiness) all the time.

He is not in a small little hex specifically designed for bettas which hardly give them room to turn around. My other bettas are in 1.5 gallons or bigger.

I can assure you they are living happier lives than if I wouldn't have gotten them. Not to mention 2 of my 4 bettas I rescued from seeing them in small, dirty tanks that some people I know had. They have both made a wonderful recovery, looking beautiful and more vibrant than ever.

I'd appreciate if you didn't judge."

And here is what she wrote back:

"When did I say I was judging?
According to dish experts, bettas need around 10 gallons of water."

#188842 04/17/05 12:45 PM
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PETA attracts holier than thou types. They are almost as bad as the zealously religious. They do however have *some* truthful observations.

Its funny, my boyfriend has suede Nikes...

10 Gallons? Wow, thats a long way from the one pint the guy at Petco seems to swear by.

As long as you know your pet is happy, it is fine. I do agree with not supporting Wal-Mart and Petco due to their disgusting treatment of animals, but I know that Bettas are not wild animals. They have been bred since the 40's in America to look like they do (compare them to a Plakat betta) and do deserve more than a rice paddy-sized cup, but some people are extreme.

Remember that these people would feed a carnivore carrots. Ive read of a few who have "vegetarian" ferrets. I just cant imagine how stupid people can survive so long...
And...WTF is a dish expert? Tell this girl she needs to stop believing everything she reads. Jeez.

#188843 04/17/05 02:27 PM
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Fish (not dish) experts _do not_ recommend 10 gallons for a betta. That's absurd! This well-meaning, but clueless PETA writer needs to get a life. I am against cruelty in all its forms against any species, including _Homo sapiens_, but some of the PETA people would be at the top of my list if I were to suddenly have a change of heart.
As a former fish magazine editor and fish writer of 20-odd years' experience, please let me reassure you that you are doing just fine by your betta, and yes, the building of bubblenests is a sign of good keeping conditions. (I always prefer to say experienced rather than "expert" because there's always something more to learn.) I feel a little sorry for the lone male building his nest over and over again with no chance of female companionship to allow him to complete the reproductive cycle. I know it's silly and anthropomorphic, but there's something about the pleading look in their little eyes as they continue to blow their bubbles that gets me right in the gut. Raising baby bettas is a lot of fun. Would you ever let them get together just once?<G> The sight of the male betta doing all that child-rearing work is just so inspirational. The way he treats the female once he's had his way with her though, can be pure murder, so remove the female the instant spawning is finished. Since they may "do it" while you're not around, the use of floating plants, a somewhat larger container than you are now using, and places for the female to hide until you return to rescue her is a good idea. Okay, that's it, the 10-gallon-tank-advice mystery is solved. Yes, fish experts would recommend a 5- or 10-gallon-tank as ideal to BREED bettas as this would give the female room to escape the male's attentions after spawning. Though she has provided the eggs and shown him a good time, he is hard-wired to see any fish other than himself as a threat to the eggs and later the fry, so he will chase her off after spawning and if she doesn't have enough room to get away from him, she could be killed.
People who send insulting messages such as the one you received are a bit daft and don't have the common sense to realize that if someone were really into abusing animals, they could find much worse things to do than keep a fish in a small bowl. Just count your lucky stars that she doesn't have your home address!
FWIW, I used to get letters regularly from a save-the-animals type in California---elaborately decorated by hand with butterflies and all manner of fanciful creatures---with a return address from an Orange County hospital. These weekly missives made me very glad she was on the "inside," and not out where she could come and fulfill her threats against me for giving advice on how to keep tropical fish in the aquarium rather than out wild and free as God intended. I hope that her venting on me prevented her venting in other, more dangerous ways. It takes all kinds, doesn't it?
Best fishes,
Mary Ellen Sweeney
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#188844 04/17/05 06:48 PM
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Hm...

I wonder if I get PETA to fight for my horrid dorm room living conditions...they are quite cramped, and if I were to blow up a betta to my size, this dorm room would certainly not hold 10 gallons....

HOMO SAPIEN ABUSE! :P


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#188845 04/18/05 02:45 AM
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Oh yes, I definitely agree with that dorm statement :P

Thanks everyone for the support ... it's terrible when people try to make you feel like [censored] when in reality you are doing nothing wrong.

I'm glad I have some supporters <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

#188846 04/18/05 09:40 PM
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theyre just bored and that is their only sad little hobby. You just have to ignore the [censored]. I know my fish love me (i give them the pellets!) and thats all that matters!

#188847 04/20/05 04:59 PM
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Well thanks, you guys have made me feel much better!

#188848 04/29/05 12:33 PM
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Wow! I just read the posts for your thread April. It's sad that some people have nothing better to do than to preach things they know little about. I guess it's easier to attack individuals than it is to get laws passed for better housing at pet stores etc. This is partially coming from an experience over the weekend at a local pet store I visited while out of town. Upon entering, the place smelled like urine. The 20 or so bettas, while housed adequately, were sick or dead. There were cramped cages of hamsters with pine shavings but no food or water. And the same for the 2 cats and one puppy they had. I mentioned to my husband that if these PETA and other animal welfare groups put their money to use lobbying the government instead of using it for propaganda they could really accomplish something. It's a sad situation.


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