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#117183 11/18/03 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by sciwriter:
[qb] In China family values are paramount. [/qb]
Carl,

what about girls fetuses killed discriminantly because parents prefer boys over girls?

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#117184 11/18/03 12:12 AM
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Eric,

something you should be happy about. Here is about security of Am. president - it is more important than a loss of innocent lives ans some additional stuff:

It is about planned visit of Bush in GB from:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1086397,00.html

Home Secretary David Blunkett has refused to grant diplomatic immunity to armed American special agents and snipers travelling to Britain as part of President Bush's entourage this week.
In the case of the accidental shooting of a protester, the Americans in Bush's protection squad will face justice in a British court as would any other visitor, the Home Office has confirmed.
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The White House initially demanded the closure of all Tube lines under parts of London to be visited during the trip. But British officials dismissed the idea that a suicide bomber could kill the President by blowing up a Tube train.
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The Americans had also wanted to travel with a piece of military hardware called a 'mini-gun', which usually forms part of the mobile armoury in the presidential cavalcade. It is fired from a tank and can kill dozens of people. One manufacturer's description reads: 'Due to the small calibre of the round, the mini-gun can be used practically anywhere. This is especially helpful during peacekeeping deployments.'
...

#117185 11/18/03 08:19 AM
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Eric,

No, it is not necessarily bad. My statement didn't intend to indicate that. Sorry if that caused any confusion.

What I had discerned from living amongst the people is that:

Yes, they have a very strong sense family
Yes, they have a strong sense of community
Yes, they are industrious, hard working and believe in the future for their families

However, there seems to be a difference in how we, western christian judeo, perceive life and death versus how the oriental mind perceives this.

It's difficult to interpret.

When you get down to the basics, it always amazes me as how we, as a species, find such ingenious ways to kill one another and don't hesitate to try them.

You would think that after all these centuries of historical mayhem and blood and guts that we would have learned how to respect our neighbors and live in some type of peace.

#117186 11/18/03 01:59 PM
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Jaga, good point! However, killing girl fetuses is unrelated to community vs. individuality. Carl

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Skeeter, Asia plays chess (anything that wins, including cruelty & deception, is acceptable, and the West plays football-USA or European (be mainly upfront & candid). Carl

#117188 11/18/03 03:26 PM
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[qb]what about girls fetuses killed discriminantly because parents prefer boys over girls? [/qb]
This is an especially serious problem in India. There, it is illegal to use modern medical techniques to determine the gender of a baby if the sole purpose is to seek an abortion for a female fetus. However, corruption is widespread and it happens all the time. Outside the cities, deaths of female babies is so high that as many as 80% of surviving babies are males.

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[qb]No, it is not necessarily bad. My statement didn't intend to indicate that. Sorry if that caused any confusion.[/qb]
Thanks for the clarification! I really was worried for a moment.

#117190 11/19/03 01:37 AM
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The people prayed "Please God, send us some help for our problems". God replied, " Your prayers were answered, I sent help over a million times but you aborted them".


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[qb] Eric,

I am pretty sure that the value of human life in Russia is lower than in an another average European country. It was always this way through the history. My arguments - several Russian leaders were cruel towards their own Russian ctizens - compare Ivan the Terrible and Stalin.

Something like that below - would be impossible in many other European countries:

In 1570, on the basis of unproved accusations of treason, Ivan sacked and burned the city of Novgorod and tortured, mutilated, impaled, roasted, and otherwise massacred its citizens. A German mercenary wrote: "Mounting a horse and brandishing a spear, he charged in and ran people through while his son watched the entertainment...". Novgorod's archbishop was first sewn up in a bearskin and then hunted to death by a pack of hounds. Men, women and children were tied to sleighs, which were then run into the freezing waters of the Volkhov River. The mass of corpses made it flood its banks. Novgorod never recovered. Later the city of Pskov suffered a similar fate. [/qb]
Middle ages:
In Russia there were Ivan Grozniy
In Europe there were Spanish Inquisition

20th century:
In Russia there were Stalin
In Europe - Hitler and small local fuhrers.

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Elena, same in Kosovo. Carl

And add these guys (nauseating):

Carl Kosta Savich
Albanian Skenderbeg SS Division
Second World War: Genocide in Kosovo
Albanian Nazi troops in WW2 Launched a Wide Spread Terror Against Kosovo Serbs

Albanian Nazi's were specially brutal to the Serb Orthodox clergy
Murder of an Orthodox priest in Devic, WW2
The historical and political precedents for the creation of a greater Sqiperia
or Greater Albania was set during World War II when the Kosovo and Metohija
regions along with territory Southwest of lake Skutari from Montenegro and the
western region of Southern Serbia, or Juzna Srbija (now part of Macedonija),
were annexed to Albania by the Axis powers led by Fascist Italy and Nazi
Germany, under a plan devised by Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler to dismember
and to destroy the Serbian Nation and people, which the Germans and Italians
perceived as the main threat to the axis powers and to the Third Reich in the
Balkan.
On April 7, 1939, Italian troops invaded and occupied Albania forcing the
Albanian ruler King Zog I Ahmed Bey Zogu, to flee to Greece. Italy formally
annexed into the Kingdom of Italy under the Italian king Victor Immanuel and
established a military government and viceroy. The Italian began a program to
colonize the country when thousands of settlers emigrated to Albania. An
Albanian Fascist Party was established with Albanian Black skirts based on
Italian models. The Albanian Army consisted of three infantry brigades of 12 000
men.
On October 28 1940, Italy invaded Greece from Albania with 10 Italian divisions
and the Albanian Army but were driven back.
Germany sought to assist the Italian-Albanian offensive by operation Alpine
Violet, a plan to move a corps of tree German mountain divisions to Albania by
air and sea. Instead German built up a heavy concentration of the German Twelfth
Army on the northwest Greek Border with Bulgaria, from where the German invasion
was launched.
On April 6, 1941, Nazi Germany and the axis powers invaded Yugoslavia, Operation
Punishment, and Greece forcing the capitulation of Yugoslavia on the 17th, and
Greece on the 23rd. Yugoslavia was subsequently occupied and dismembered. The
Axis powers established a greater Albania or greater Shqiperia at the expense of
Serbia and Montenegro. Territory from Montenegro was annexed to Greater Albania.
From Serbia, the Kosovo and Metohija were ceded to greater Albania, along with
the western part of Southern Serbia (Juzna Srbija), now part of Macedonia, an
area which was part of Stara Srbija (Ancient Old Serbia). This Kosovo-metohija
region and the surrounding territory annexed to Greater Albania was called "New
Albania".
To create an ethnically pure Shqiptar Kosovo, which Albanian called "Kosova",
the Shqiptari (Albanians) launched a widescale campaigns of ethnic cleansing and
genocide. Ethnic Serbs in the Kosovo-Metohija regions were massacred, and their
homes were burned, and survivors were brutally driven out and expelled in policy
of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
The Balli Kombetar (BK or National Union) was an Albanian nationalist group led
by Midhat Fresheri and Ali Klissura whose political objective was to in
incorporate Kosovo-Metohija into a Greater Albania and to ethnically cleanse the
region of Orthodox Serbs
The Abanian Committee of Kosovo organized massive campaigns of ethnic cleansing
and genocide against the Orthodox Serbian inhabitants of Kosovo- Metohuja. A
contemporary report described the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Serbs as
follows:
Armed with material supplied by the Italians, the Albanians hurled themselves
against helpless settlers in their homes and villages. According to the most
reliable sources, the Albanian burned many Serbian settlements, killing some of
the people and driving out others who escaped to the mountains. At present other
Serbian settlement are being attacked and the property of individuals and of
communities is either being confiscated or destroyed. It is not possible to
ascertain at the present time the exact number of victims of those atrocities,
but it may be estimated that at least between 30.000 and 40.000 perished.
Bedri Pejani, the Muslim leader of the Albanian National committee, called for
the extermination of Ortodox Serbian Cristians in Kosovo Metohija and for a
union of a Greater Albania with Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Rashka (Sandzak)
region of Serbia, into a great Islamic state. The grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj
Amin El Husseini was presented to Pejani a plan which he approved as a being in
the interest of Islam. The Germans however rejected the plan.


http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/istorija/savic_skenderbeyss.html

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