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Posted By: carlzim Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/27/04 02:30 AM
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"When daybreak came we were zooming through New Jersey with the great cloud of
Metropolitan New York rising before us in the snowy distance. Dean had a sweater
wrapped around his ears to keep warm. He said we were a band of Arabs coming in
to blow up New York." On the Road, 1950, Jack Kerouac
Posted By: pieter Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/27/04 02:57 PM
Or just coincidence, under influence of boose and drugs?
Posted By: raytan Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/27/04 03:04 PM
the opening scene of one of my favourite films "the big lebowski" (which came out in 1998) takes place in a supermarket.

as the film's anti-hero jeff bridges (who plays one of two guys in the movie called Jeff Lebowski) is about to pay for something by cheque, the film cuts to a shot of President George Bush Snr talking about the first gulf war on tv, before cutting back to Lebowski writing out the cheque - and dating it 9/11/1991 - exactly 10 years to the day before the attacks on the WTC....
Posted By: carlzim Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/27/04 03:26 PM
Pieter, coincidence? Why did Kerouac choose "Arabs blowing up?"
Raytan, was 9/11 an anniversary of any event then?
Carl
Posted By: raytan Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/27/04 03:56 PM
I can't remember if anything else of world significance happened on a previous 9/11.

I also forgot to mention that there's a surreal fantasy/dream sequence later on in the film in which the dude (lebowski) goes to a bowling alley and gets his bowling shoes handed to him by saddam hussein....


it's not surprising that some people think nostradamus predicted 9/11....

http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/nostradamus.htm
Posted By: carlzim Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/27/04 04:20 PM
Raytan, yep! IMO many of Nostradamus' predictions are correct Carl
Posted By: carlzim Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/27/04 08:23 PM
Muslim Brotherhood & Baath Party in Mideast were talking about doing this in 1950 but they weren't fully organized & it wasn't publicized. I knew then.
Posted By: raytan Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/28/04 10:50 AM
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Posted By: pieter Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/28/04 03:45 PM
Maybe Kerouac was a visionary Carl!
I like big Lebovski, because Julian Moore is one of my favorite actresses. (I love her playing an older porn actress in Boogie Nights). My tast for women, yes Red heads.

Beatiful white skin, read hair and Fuiji blue eyes!
Posted By: raytan Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/28/04 04:29 PM
she's hot - in both movies! I love "boogie nights" too....
Posted By: pieter Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/28/04 05:53 PM
And American Beauty, Magnolia, Hapiness, Virgins Suicides, The Ice Storm, Sue, Mulholland Drive,
Lost Highway, Crash, Smoke, Blue in the face,
Another day in Paradise, Kids, Natural Born Killers
and Blue Velvet? Are you a cinematographic freak to!
Posted By: raytan Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/28/04 06:26 PM
Pieter - I like movies - although I'm much more of a music fan - and you've named some of my favourites - "American Beauty", "Natural born killers", "Crash" and "Blue Velvet".

from the last 5 years I'd say my fave films would be: American Psycho, Battle Royale, memento, the pianist, pitch black, Baise moi, American Beauty, goodbye lenin, Crouching tiger hidden dragon....

incidentally - was John Peel well known in Holland?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/index.shtml

I've been so saddened by his death - it's almost like losing a member of my family.
Posted By: carlzim Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/28/04 07:48 PM
If Jack Kerouac was alive today, he would organize freedom loving Muslism to fight terrorism.
Posted By: Dragonmom Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/28/04 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by sciwriter:
[qb] Pieter, coincidence? Why did Kerouac choose "Arabs blowing up?"
Raytan, was 9/11 an anniversary of any event then?
Carl [/qb]
He chose "Arabs" because he had a sweater wrapped aroundhis head, and he chose "Blowing up New York" because he was a young male and life was so exciting. Boys always want to blow things up, haven't you noticed? :rolleyes:


...If you go back and look at your old checkbooks, I bet you'll find one or two that you signed on 9/11/1991...
What were they for? Anything momentous?
Posted By: carlzim Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/28/04 09:52 PM
Hi, Dragonmom: Kerouac was too specfic. As a youngster in Bronx, NYC in 1950's, after doing research for schoolwork in the Morrisania library in 1950, I often ate lunch in a nearby African restaurant called Kumasi Dubar frequented by 3rd world people. I overheard some Arabs talking about detonating bombs in NYC to demonstrate their fight for independence vs. Western colonialism, but didn't have the organization or technology. They talked about Algeria. The French-Algerian War started later in 1954. Kerouac must have known, as he was French-Canadian.

Why 9/11 on a check in a movie related to Saddam? Carl
Posted By: carlzim Re: Jack Kerouac a prophet? - 10/29/04 12:29 AM
The early 1950�s in USA were an era of predictions. Colliers 1951 article predicted the downfall of Communism in Soviet Union provoked by USA military action. While this downfall was the result of other causes 1n 1991, the article was quite predictive. Carl

http://www.norfolkacademy.org/fac_staff/~rezelman/research.htm

The Cold War and Cultural History
Another potential future subject of research is the cultural history of the Cold War. This is a rich and promising field, and happily one that does not (for the most part) rely on the declassification of government documents. Paul Boyer's By the Bomb's Early Light remains the classic of the genre, but the subject since 1950 is still largely unexplored. A history of "World War III," as it was variously depicted in fiction and films, is a subject of particular interest to me. A great starting point for this is the special October 27, 1951, issue of Collier's magazine (right), which was devoted in its entirety to a "Preview of the War We Do Not Want."


http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/nuclear/2chap.htm

Rabid militarism was far more common in the fifties than Heinlein's
position. Some writers went so far as to advocate that the United States make a
first strike against the enemy. Even after the Russians developed (or stole, as
was commonly thought), the A-bomb, the prospect of annihilating their country
with a devastating nuclear attack was irresistibly attractive to many. Perhaps
the most striking elaboration of this fantasy has been mentioned in chapter 1,
the special issue of Collier's magazine for October 27, 1951, entitled "Preview
of the War We Do Not Want." The Russians here are joyously liberated from their
cruel Communist masters by a righteous nuclear assault on the Soviet Union,
prompted by its invasion of Yugoslavia
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