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Hi RR,

It is sooooo hard to joke in a political forum sometimes, especially because people can't hear your voice inflections. Sorry we took it so seriously.

I need to read up on Moore, I don't know enough about his writings to actually be able to comment on his words - I was reacting rather to everyone else's arguments (arguments in the sense of a debate.)

It does seem rather odd that he would make this into a pay-for theatre movie as opposed to something shown on a free television station. But then people do have the habit of paying more attention to something that they pay for than something they get for free. Perhaps that is his thought process?

To big alignment: No where in my comment do I mention old people and sick people who need our help. Americans are among the most generous people on earth. What I am complaining about are those who are healthy and able to go out and get a job but still want the government to support them. And no, I don't want this great country of ours to turn to socialism, as this current administration is hell-bent on doing. I believe in less government and people being able to go out and start businesses and come up with new ideas etc. It may be hard for some of you to believe, especially after Obama's "Apology Tour", but I, and millions of others, truly love this country, think it is the best country around and want it to stay that way. And if you have a problem with that, so be it.

Rock on Gem Girl!

The reaction I've seen from quite a large chunk of the population to your presidents vision of health care reform doesn't seem to fully support that statement.



That's not my definition of a socialist. I'm sure there are plenty of Republicans playing the system as well. As far as I'm aware scrounging off the state isn't a party-specific pursuit.



Whoop whoop whoop!!!!

Where the "disconnect" comes in is that the Americans that do give like to choose to whom they give to. We have so many different charities around the world AND in our own backyard to support - but when the government steps in, it feels like (notice the "feels like") they are telling us that "this is who you should be supporting".

That's what governments do, they govern people and make decisions on how much gets spent on what. Personally I think spending part of the money they collect on providing health care for those on low or no incomes is a better deal for American taxpayers (and certainly more morally justified) than money spent on bombs in some war they don't need to fight.

But a charity, by definition is not mandatory - it is voluntary, so having a government decide who we should give to is completely contrary. (good knight - I'm rhyming!)

Plus, we are very used to our government being "hands-off" and now all of a sudden it wants to take a tighter grip - and this is not making us happy at all. It doesn't really matter WHAT the issues are, we are talking about our freedom and liberty which feel like they are being stamped on here. Or more accurately, slowly strangled.

As to the war - the original intentions were to help out as much as to protect us, but the "vision" got distorted somwhere along the way (sometimee between daddy Bush and his son). The fear in pulling our men and women out now is that we will have a rehash of Vietnam. We ulled those soldiers out with no clear "vicotry" and there are veterans that are still suffereing from the after-effects of the war. Of course, there is no way of knowing whe or if we would have ever won - but everyone likes to think so. but we never want t abandon our troops like that again.

Health care provision for all citizens shouldn't be viewed as a 'charity', it's a basic human right. How one of the richest countries in the world can allow people die because they can't afford to pay for treatment is frankly barbaric in this day and age.



Really? Iraq was almost bombed flat, including the dropping of cluster bombs on schools. Who was that supposed to help?

Tackling these backwards again.

(BTW - I am not a huge history or political buff, I am just kind of a placeholder in hee - so things that I say are mostly going to be opinion. I will do what little research I have time for - but the majority of my research time must be spent n my 2 sites here and the books I am writing. So I am GONNA make mistakes. I completely admit that up front.)

But my first husband was in the army (helicopter pilot) during Desert Shield - when it was still a military operation, not a war. The goal was to get Quadaffi out of office and give the people a chance at freedom so they could fight back themselves. That failed because the UN had us pull out before the mission was comlete (quadaffi wasn't "got" - he hid out) Then the terrorit attacks came and fanned the flames and it was felt - "get them before they get us. Other than Pearl Harbor we had never had an attack on US soil before. And everyone knows how quickly and viciously we took care of Pealr Harbor.

Innocent lives are always lost in wars. It is not fair to blame the US alone for innocents being lost. In Vietnam they sent children out with bombs strapped to therboaides because they knew our soldiers wouldn't kill a child - and even near the end when we KNEW the tactic, most soldiers still had a hard time shooting a child point-blank. It is not in our nature to shoot children.

Bombing from above makes it a lot easier. You never have to see your victims. But my FIL was a bomber pilot, and he says he still hs nightmares about the people he killed. He imagines hundreds of faces looking up at him and crying out. Soldiers do not take killing lightly. It is our politicians (who never go into battle that do.) This is why I have a hard time voting for a President that has never servd in the military forces (and definitely had a hard time voting for one who ran from his service appointment and marched in protesst against our servicmen.)

OK, now for healthcare.

Emergency healthcare is available to all. And if a person does not make enough money, then they are covered by medicaid. If they are over 65 they are covered by medicare. Most states have provisions to cover children - I know here in Georgia we have PeachCare which covers school-age children, while Medicare and WIC covers infants and toddlers (and pregnant and nursing woemn)

If you are hurt on the job you are covered by disability insurance.

Where the major gaps are; small business owners who cannot afford bi insrance plan and their employess and people who are capable of working but choose not to - so they don't get disability.

The first group I definitely feel badly for because they are working to make a life for themselves. I have a hard time dredging up sympathy for a group of people whose sole aim is to live off the work of others, howeer.