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I am brand new to so much of this stuff, it's hard to keep up with it all! Whew. Before today, I had never even heard of ACORN. But I've read several articles on it now, so I think I get the picture. ACORN was developed by the Democratic Party to get unregistered voters to register. In today's Wallstreet Journal, the following quotes: "Bertha Lewis, Acorn's interim chief organizer, said the raid was "a stunt," and that Acorn had flagged the suspicious applications to Nevada officials." and "Acorn's quality-control manager at the office, Bianca Brown, says employees check each application and have a call center attempt to confirm the information with applicants. She says such reviews caught a person who registered as Batman and another who has tried to register 70 times. Acorn says it has fired about 80 workers in New Mexico since December 2007 over potentially fraudulent registrations." and then "Adam Skaggs, counsel with the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, says: 'A lot that gets lost in the hysteria of the issue is the fact that the people on those [fraudulent] forms are not showing up to vote.'"

There are no legitimate reports available that show that any ACORN members were prosecuted in 1998, or at any time.

If you think about it, it would be pretty tough to come up with all of those extra people, who "registered" in the first place - heh, especially one named Batman. It's just a case of workers trying to make extra money in stupid ways. I had a bank teller once, who was taking little bits of money from my cashed paychecks every time I came in - I wasn't paying attention like I should have, then I finally caught on, and he disappeared. So was it he who was the sleaze, or the bank who hired him - then evidently fired him?

So, it sounds to me like a legitimate company who catches employees falsifying new registrations, turns in the fraudulent cards, and fires the employee. ACORN has not hidden anything, and it wasn't the result of raids that "exposed" them - they have reported everything themselves. "Corrupt" is a word used by the Republican party to promote a new scandal. Since this has been going on long before Obama was running, I don't see any ghastly alarms to freak out about. It's just Republicans making tons of noise about something that has bothered them for a long time. Nothing new there.

However, there absolutely needs to be some kind of reform in their system that would not make it profitable for the employees if they lie. That's just not okay. Not only is it bad for ACORN's reputation, but it costs them more money, and there is absolutely no benefit to registering voters who don't exist, and can't cast a ballot. It all around makes no sense.

At this point it's hard not to mention the "elephant in the room" elections fraud that got Bush elected his second term. The boxes were programmed to switch intermittent Dem votes to Rep votes. The were also not secured, so that they could be hacked into by any amature hacker, anywhere. It was the Rep party who made the boxes Top Secret, along with all information on how they were programmed. Has anyone fixed that problem, I wonder? Or will McCain be elected fraudulently, too?

Shay

Actually, from what I understand, there are 6 or 7 states that have wrongly PURGED voters from the record. Something they are not allowed to do right before an election. Here's an article from the Indy Star.
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Okay...I read the article you provided, plus a couple of others, and this is a real ooops. But, how are you relating this to the topic? It's been very clearly stated that it was a mistake, and no particular party is to blame. Obama was never mentioned. "The Times said voters appeared to have been purged by mistake and not because of any intentional violations by election officials or coordinated efforts by any party."

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Wrong. You can live in denial but it doesn't change the facts.
Acorn Prosecution Map

WSJ ACORN Prosecutions



Once again, you can live in denial and even convince yourself that what you say is true, but it just doesn't change the facts.
Rotten Acorn
CRL Testimony on ACORN's Voter Fraud

Bepart, as I've mentioned several times, I only rely upon non-partisan news reports for information. I just want to make that clear. If you post partisan articles here, I will disregard them.

These quotes from Wikipedia:
"ACORN has fought against lending practices that it sees as predatory by targeting the companies that engage in the practice, working for stricter state laws against predatory practices, organizing against financial scams, and steering individuals toward loan counseling."

"In June 1982 ACORN sponsored "Reagan Ranches" in over 35 cities believing the president's focus to be on military as opposed to social spending."

It has become clear now, at least to me, why there is this endless investigation into ACORN.







I also said that as of yesterday, I had never heard of ACORN. When I googled that members of ACORN were prosecuted nothing came up, except for a bunch of blog entries, and partisan articles. This is because the ACORN issue is a partisan issue, and they seem to embrace the word "prosecution." Also, "members" have not been prosecuted. Using these words is just plain ol' rhetoric.

I have just finally found a reliable account on Wikipedia. Yes, there have been some indictments of employees (not "members.") Apparently they were not only fired by ACORN, as I mentioned, but also taken to court. Some did community service, 5 went to jail. Some were not charged at all. ACORN supported the criminal action taken against the former employees. This sort of thing happens frequently in many large businesses. With ACORN, it has only been fiercly investigated by Republicans because they take personal issue with ACORN.


Fact is, this is not the scandalous, horrific, ghastly issue that you would like for it to be. Far worse things are going on in this country, which have been created by the Bush Administration. Things that have affected the entire world's financial structure, and the gross misuse of taxpayers money by Wallstreet crooks.

I feel it's also important to emphasize the fact that Obama does not run, nor does he work for ACORN. His organization, which has been accused of nothing, has worked alongside of ACORN for many years, and ACORN has endorsed him. How has this become an Obama scandal, in your opinion?

Loenore Annenburg, president of the Annenburg Foundation, where Obama and Ayers worked together, has endorsed John McCain. Do you find this as interesting as I do? Is it scandalous that he is trying to "expose" once members of an organization that has endorsed him for president?

I would officially like to stop beating the ACORN dead horse. It's a waste of time.

Shay

Well, as I have said before, you can deny the facts but unfortunately it does not change them. It's sad that you would rather believe what you want to believe rather than seek and embrace the truth.

As for your citation of Wikipedia, I do hope you realize that it is an online encyclopedia created by readers which means anyone is able to edit the entries and they are not validated for accuracy. Most professors (myself included) prohibit the use of Wikipedia because it is not a reliable source.

What do I expect to see change in an Obama/Biden administration? I except to see a major improvement in Foreign Affairs. The foreign policy of the Bush administration is the worst policy in U.S. History. It has been a disaster. I except to see Obama, with the wise counsel of Joe Biden, to vastly improve U.S. foreign policy. I have great confidence that as a team they can make great improvements in U.S. Foreign policy and restore the United States imagine in the world.

Cheers, Craig!