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Maybe I'm a bit confused about how these post work.

I see Duane_Va post is a reply to my post.

I agreed with everything Duane_Va said in my own post and I'm confused because the reply to me makes me wonder if my post was misunderstood?

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Blue Skies, sometimes clicking on the 'Reply' button in the last post is just a convenient way of adding another post, rather than replying specifically to that post - going back to the first post of a multi-page thread can be a bit of a hassle! I think that is what has happened here.

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Yep, that is what happened. After a while, you start to accept that a reply underneath your own message may not be directly relevant to what you posted. With the number of threads here, and how they can morph into something completely different after a page or two, it happens smile


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I resent that many insurance companies pay thousands for infertility treatments. Infertility by itself results in zero deaths a year, while cancer patients have to fight for payment for bone marrow transplants and other treatments need to save their lives... if people want to maintain it's wrong to use embryos for stem cell research because it might lead to the creation of embryos just for research, then it should be wrong to intentionally create more embryos than you can birth and parent.


I just can't tell you how many times I say this--to anyone who'll listen. There is no way someone can call themself Pro-life and be pro-IVF at the same time. ANd then to turn around and not let the stemcells be used to help people seems like an awful waste. Better to "kill" them, I guess.

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Babies are killed naturally every day, and people do not know about it! What happens to the successful conceptions that don't hook up with the walls of the uterus? That fetus doesn't get mourned. What about the spontaneous natural abortions that happen? Is there active research on drugs that will be given to a woman to suppress the tendency to reject "malformed babies" in the womb when she is found to be pregnant so that spontaneous abortions won't happen?

I find this line of thought very, very disturbing.


As do I. And another thing, why is Viagra covered on so many insurance plans and Birth control pills not? This is senseless and sexist. Lord knows every man should be able to have sex for free, but women should have to pay to protect herself. The religious right is making sure there will never be a lack of children.

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You can speak for me any day of the week. I agree with 100% of both your fabulous posts. Bravo!

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I've mentioned this before, how one girl I know has a son who is blind with a genetic disease. The females in the family are carriers. So, it affects the boys, who developed the problem, and while females don't have the symptoms, they pass it along to their children.

I could NOT believe that this girl had another child after her first son was blind. She was SO relieved when it turned out to be a girl. Well, now you just put that same burden that you carry on your daughter. Now if she ever has a son, there is something like a 50% chance that he will have the disease.

What's the line from Jurassic Park? "You were so consumed with whether you could you didn't stop to think if you should." Something like that.


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Originally Posted By: lngilbert


What's the line from Jurassic Park? "You were so consumed with whether you could you didn't stop to think if you should." Something like that.



Good call Ingilbert!


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The version I know is:

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Blue Skies and Duane, you both hit on the other major things that drive me mad about IVF. It's enough to make me want to punch the next right-winger I see. wink

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Rock on - you guys made some really awesome points! This information really makes me feel differently about IVF. I mean, I always thought it was extravagant, and a waste of money. But this brings up some genuine ethical issues.

Don't even get me started on the Viagra/birth control issue. I hate the insurance companies as it is, but this issue puts me over the edge. It's so short sighted - if women don't want kids, I don't care what your agenda is regarding having more kids, whatever, it isn't going to work out well. It just isn't. They are trying to force people to have kids in a way, and that's so wrong, and such a bad idea. Ugh!


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Damn, I have a WHOLE lot to say on this and no time to post more than a few words right now. Also, DH is sleeping beside me (also Phoebe the cat) as I am in bed with the laptop and wireless internet, and the laptop keys sound really loud...will have to post later...darn, am very opinionated on this issue and delighted you posted this article...

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