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#369564 01/25/08 09:44 AM
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Hi all, apparently it's been 35 yrs since Roe vs Wade passed. Here is a link to an interesting CF article (rant) that you may read about.BellaOnline ALERT: Raw URLs are not allowed in these forums for security reasons. Please use UBB code. If you don't know how to do UBB code just post here for help - we will help out!

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fatina #369594 01/25/08 10:21 AM
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Hi fatina,

I agree with you 100%. Every woman should have a choice. In my opinion abortion will always be practiced, if its legal or not...

Abortion has been a big topic a few years ago in austria too.
The democrates wanted the doctors to do abortions in salzburg (abortion is legal in austria (max. 12 weeks), but just doc's in vienna do it, women from other cities have to travel to vienna to get an abortion... frown )
The peoples party (conservatives) was against that and startet (with the church) a very hot discussion in austria, they wanted to forbid abortion.

Thank god, the democrates won the election and abortion is now practiced in salzburg too.



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*Juliana* #369612 01/25/08 10:32 AM
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It's already bad enough when you have to travel from one country to another to have your health care needs met, but when you have to travel from one city to another in the same country, that's just bad news! Here in Italy, the vatican keeps wanting to meddle with these laws, just as they are trying to prevent any discussion on living wills or euthanasia. I think these sujects are all way too personal in nature to have anyone else make these decisions for you!

*Juliana* #369621 01/25/08 10:34 AM
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The thing is (I mentioned this in another thread) when a republican/conservative is in office, there's typically MORE abortions/unwanted births because they just LOVE to cut funding to actually educating teens about how to prevent a pregnancy. Hell, you'd think that even if you were "saving yourself for marriage" you'd want to know how to keep yourself from becoming a baby mill once there!
And yes, even if abortions are illegal, they're still done by desperate women, it's just that now the woman who's having the abortion has a much greater chance of dying in the process.

fatina #369622 01/25/08 10:34 AM
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Yes, the morning-after pill (a.k.a. the Plan B pill) was approved last year. It wreaks havoc on your system, but when that condom breaks, I'd rather roto-root my female plumbing than go through with a baby.

I, too, support a woman's right to choose. I was raised Catholic (though I now attend a non-denom Bible fellowship church), and I have always voted straight republican in every election until this year. While I usually have pretty good general reasons for my voting choices, this year, I'm going to be like a walking Wikipedia on every candidate. I could even see myself doing spreadsheets and flowcharts to keep it all straight.

I have not yet chosen a candidate because I haven't even begun the level of research I want before making a choice. I do, however, know that not all republicans are pro-life, and I think Rudy Giuliani is one that is pro-choice if I'm not mistaken. I might very well choose Obama and vote democrat for the first time...the jury's still out.

I don't care whether someone votes repub or dem, whether they vote more lib or more conservative. What I do care about is that people take the time to find out all the aspects of what/who they're voting for and use your right to vote in good conscience. I think it's wrong to just vote straight-ticket or vote a candidate in because you were raised one way or another, or because you think someone sounds better or looks better on TV. Watching the primaries doesn't cut it, though that's better than nothing.


"Men and women think that it is necessary to have children. It is not. It is their animal nature and social custom, rather than reason, which makes them believe that this is a necessity." --Democritus
Angela P #369632 01/25/08 10:50 AM
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Angela - I was raised a Republican, and my entire family was Republican - until the 2004 election. We all flipflopped, and are now all staunch Democrats! Even my old grandma who is 81! She has a crush on Obama, she thinks he's "so cute!" (This coming from a woman who grew up with very conservative parents who didn't like black people at ALL.) I still vote Republican if I like the candidate, for instance, a bunch of our state legislators. I don't care about the party so much as I do the candidates.

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My view on abortion is that it should remain legal.

My POV is that yes, the fetus is a child in formation. However, I am not the one, nor will I ever be the one, who will have to go through 9 months of carrying that child, as well as being the primary caregiver of such a child, for the rest of its childhood. Thusly, my more detailed POV is:

I am against the act of abortion itself, but I am not the one who has to endure the consequence of having the child. I have no right to judge and control the actions of a woman in such a position. The woman herself has to weigh the pros and cons of having a baby or not, or of terminating the pregnancy or not, based on her outlook on life, faith/belief system, economic situation, and emotional maturity level. For some women, they will make the choice to continue with the pregnancy, with any consequences therein. Other women will make the choice to terminate the pregnancy, with any consequences therein.

Thusly, I am, in the most literal sense of the word, "pro-choice", not "pro-abortion."

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lngilbert #369639 01/25/08 11:01 AM
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The morning after pill is now available over the counter in the U.S. HOWEVER, if using the morning after pill (or regular birth control pills for that matter) goes against the pharmacist's beliefs, he/she does not have provide the pill to the customer. And, I don't think that the pharmacist has to offer a referral to another pharmacist who will provide the items needed either. It is a damn shame.

I had to use Plan B one time last year. I had to take a break from my Pills due to anxiety and depression. We were using condoms and spermicide but the condom came off and we didn't realize it until we were done. I went out and got Plan B the next morning. If the Plan B hadn't worked, I would have had an abortion.

Also, I think that one of the major problems in our country is that people do not respect the separation of church and state. Religion always, and I mean always, has an influence on our laws and law makers. Look at what a big deal it is that Mitt Romney is a morman!

As others have already said, I do believe that if abortion were to be outlawed, more women would be dying because they would obtain illegal, "back alley" abortions.


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Originally Posted By: Duane_Va

Thusly, I am, in the most literal sense of the word, "pro-choice", not "pro-abortion."



Very well said! I agree.


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chattycat #369646 01/25/08 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: chattycat


Also, I think that one of the major problems in our country is that people do not respect the separation of church and state. Religion always, and I mean always, has an influence on our laws and law makers.


I couldn't agree with this more.


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