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Originally Posted By: duckyaj
My closest friends from college are fabulous, smart and talented women. There are 7 of us in strong marriages, doing well with interesting jobs and things were great. Then, about 5 years ago, they started having kids and giving up their jobs. Now every single one of them has at least 2 kids under the age of 5. So, no one calls. No one is available to do anything. No one can answer the phone without shouting directions to their kids while I pull the phone away from my ear.

I don't dislike kids - I'm actually pretty passionate about the well-being of kids in all areas of life. They are cool. (Though so is my house after spending a day with kids...so tidy, so quiet, so not-sticky.) It bugs the hell out of me that I am forgotten, though. I've tried to invite myself on play-dates, I try to be interested in diaper costs, consignment stores, mashed up organic food and mini-van accessories. Then, when I try to participate in conversations, no interest. I've been joking that my friends are all on hiatus, but how long am I supposed to put up with it?

It took a mourning period to deal with infertility - certainly. We've emerged - strong and happy. I realize now I'm mourning my friends. Given the large families and the emersion in school - there are no childfree people in our lives. We attended a picnic with these college friends a couple of weeks ago. Took a picture with the 15 kids (all under 5) and the 8 women. All know my situation, no one asked about what's been going on in my life lately.

Hi Ducky,
This is exactly the conversation I was having with my SO yesterday!
ALL our coupled-off friends have children and the single ones don't always want to hang out with couples...
At times I get lonely.
I find the men (parents) will get together for a night out, sans kids, and include my SO, but the women not as often, and when they do, the conversation always turns to the kids at one point, so I sit there with no input, or, as you mentionned, get ignored when I try to participate in the conversation. Also, the parent guys don't want "chicks" hanging around (even a cool one like me - ha-ha!).
At first, the parents tried their best to continue as BC, alas they've all stuck together and slowly I have been shut out.
I don't think it is done intentionally it's simply the next step in life and people of a kind stick together, as the saying goes...
But it doesn't take the pain of exclusion away.
I hope to meet people in my city who are like us, not easy to find! (There is no 'No Kidding!' in Montreal - there was an attempt, but they were "kids" under the age of 25... not exactly the same.

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Hi Ducky and welcome!
The thing I notice about friends and family for that matter, is once they have kids they mainly want to hang out with people who have kids too, so the kids can play together. That way they kill 2 birds with one stone...have friendships and keep their kids happy. I can understand that, and I'm sure it would be the same for me if I had kids, even though I wouldn't mean to. When a childfree person hangs out with a mom-friend, the kid is usually bored and nags her to do something else with him/her. I can understand that too, since as a kid I would get really impatient when my mom was on the phone with a friend, or bumped into someone at the store and we had to stop and talk. That was NOT cool with me. Kids are not very understanding of their mother's needs!

But I definitely feel left out of the kid-related activities, or if I'm included it feels kind of awkward standing around being the Auntie watching the action at the petting zoo or whatever. I guess it's kind of feels like being the 3rd wheel on a date. The mom is the one in charge of the kid, the schedule, etc., and I'm kind of this non-person/bystander.

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